Shield as a Weapon

[B0X315]

Any know how to show shield bash attacks? I'm making a TWF Fighter that uses a Bastard sword and a Light shield. I see all the feats are there, but no Idea how to set it as an offhand weapon or even enchant it as a weapon. Any help would be great, thanks.

[ogexam]

Add spikes to it.

Oh but then if you have shield mastery tree where you no longer take two weapon penalties it gets all messed up... I have not figured out how to put that one in directly.

I faked it by creating a new weapon called light shield +3 (mastery)
Then I make it a +5 weapon to make up for the too hit bonus... though now your damage is off...

[B0X315]

Hmmm. You could just make it a Adjusted Weapon Bonus, under the 'adjust' tab.

[ogexam]

There is an adjust tab?

Man I need to learn the kewl details of Herolabs... argh

[ShadowChemosh]

Couldn't you just create a new weapon in the Editor called "Shield Bash, Light" for example. Then give it the correct damage and have it cost nothing and weigh nothing as that would be taken care of by the shield itself. Give it the correct type of proficiency and the damage depending on it is light or heavy. All that can be done with just a bunch of mouse clicks and no scripting.

Modifying the Shield Feats would require some script changes, but they should be pretty easy.

Just an idea.

[Theocrat]

Also note the new errata for a magical weapon - the bonus cannot be higher than +10 including character abilities and spells.

[ShadowChemosh]

As I figured this would come up in my games sooner or later I went ahead and created a new .user file that has two new weapons called Shield Bash, Light and Shield Bash, Heavy. I also modified the feat Shield Mastery to now correctly apply its bonus to these two new weapons. For the extra fun I went ahead and scripted the Bashing power to actually increase the die size of the two new shield weapons without actually increasing the effort required to wield larger weapons.

You can download the file from d20pfsrd under the Misc folder near the bottom of the page.

[Mathias]

Originally Posted by Theocrat

Also note the new errata for a magical weapon - the bonus cannot be higher than +10 including character abilities and spells.

Theocrat, don't read more into that errata than it's actually saying - yes, looked at on the errata page, it looks like it's implementing some new rule restricting the total bonus that you can achieve on a weapon, but compare it to the old version of that sentance, and it's not changing much.

The only thing it's changing is that spells and abilities that alter the enhancement bonus + effective bonus from weapon/armor powers can't take that total above 10.

So, if you have a 20th level Paladin with the Divine Bond - Weapon ability, and your weapon is already a +4 Dancing weapon (effective total +8), you can only add +2 worth of additional abilities, even though the Divine Bond ability for a 20th level Paladin would normally let you add +6 worth of enhancements (so sell your super-weapon and buy a +4 weapon with no powers, and you'll have lots of cash left over).

Similarly, if you cast Greater Magic Weapon + 5 on a +4, Holy, Dancing Weapon (effective total +10), it doesn't gain any enhancement bonus.

[ShadowChemosh]

Originally Posted by Mathias

The only thing it's changing is that spells and abilities that alter the enhancement bonus + effective bonus from weapon/armor powers can't take that total above 10.

Yep that is spot on Mathias and one of the more clear explanations of the ruling I have read.

[blzbob]

Originally Posted by ShadowChemosh

As I figured this would come up in my games sooner or later I went ahead and created a new .user file that has two new weapons called Shield Bash, Light and Shield Bash, Heavy. I also modified the feat Shield Mastery to now correctly apply its bonus to these two new weapons. For the extra fun I went ahead and scripted the Bashing power to actually increase the die size of the two new shield weapons without actually increasing the effort required to wield larger weapons.

You can download the file from d20pfsrd under the Misc folder near the bottom of the page.

Thank you for this. When I equip the shield as armor and as a weapon, I get the validation error. As a DM and player I don't have a problem with this but I was wondering if you knew how to fix it.

Never mind, now it's working fine. I don't know what happened but everything is ok.