Vermin Familiars Question

Hackman · March 26th, 2019, 06:47 AM

How does the mindless condition get set in Herolab. Trying to create a Bard with a butterfly familiar and int stat is stuck at "-"

I am not sure why Centipedes and scorpions have Int and Butterflies and cockroaches don't?

Rone · March 27th, 2019, 05:33 AM

Is this for Pathfinder 1st edition?

Dami · March 27th, 2019, 09:57 PM

In Pathfinder 1 (only in Classic, not Online), Animals have an Int of 1 or 2, and Vermin are mindless. All four of the creatures you mention are Vermin in PF1. (5th Ed classes them as Beasts, don't know about PF2)
Can you tell us what version of HL you are running and what system you are asking about. This helps the post get placed in the correct forum, and you are much more likely to get an answer to your question.

Hackman · March 28th, 2019, 06:41 PM

Sorry little lost myself, I dont see a version and from the laod page I can choose pathfinder or pathfinder beginner box. I choose pathfinder. I created a bard and then selected duettist from archetypes. Once I select the butterfly as a familiar it show an Intelligence score of "-" and yet if I choose centipede in show a base intelligence of 8?

Is there somewhere I should be looking for version?

Dami · March 29th, 2019, 01:20 AM

You are running "Classic" HeroLab (not Online) and the original Pathfinder. (1st Edn.)
Familiars have an Intelligence score granted according to the master's level. I'd guess your Butterfly is still being treated as Vermin. I can't see an archetype for a Bard that grants a familiar and I can't see Butterfly as a familiar for a Wizard. You must have a package/book loaded that I don't have - I'm guessing Ultimate Wilderness.
You can submit a bug report, or just send an email to support.

Hackman · March 30th, 2019, 01:05 PM

Thanks Submitted - I will post their response if relevant

Farling · March 30th, 2019, 02:01 PM

Hackman, how do you build your character to get a butterfly familiar?

Dami · March 30th, 2019, 08:18 PM

I'd say he has the "Pathfinder Player Companion: Familiar Folio" - this is the source of the "Duettist" Bard archetype, and 'Ultimate Wilderness' for the Butterfly.

Hackman · March 31st, 2019, 02:40 PM

Dami is correct, butterfly in allowed for Bards and Wizards

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core...bard-archetype

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core...izard/familiar

Hackman · March 31st, 2019, 02:42 PM

There doesn't seem to be an override for mindless

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Hackman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 5 March 26th, 2019, 06:47 AM	How does the mindless condition get set in Herolab. Trying to create a Bard with a butterfly familiar and int stat is stuck at "-" I am not sure why Centipedes and scorpions have Int and Butterflies and cockroaches don't?
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Rone Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 362 March 27th, 2019, 05:33 AM	Is this for Pathfinder 1st edition?
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Farling Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Greater London, UK Posts: 2,623 March 30th, 2019, 02:01 PM	Hackman, how do you build your character to get a butterfly familiar? Farling Author of the Realm Works Import tool, Realm Works Output tool and Realm Works to Foundry module Donations gratefully received via Patreon, Ko-Fi or Paypal
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Dami Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,086 March 30th, 2019, 08:18 PM	I'd say he has the "Pathfinder Player Companion: Familiar Folio" - this is the source of the "Duettist" Bard archetype, and 'Ultimate Wilderness' for the Butterfly. Current RPG's: Pathfinder (GM), Pathfinder (Player), Gamma World (GM, Pathfinder homebrew). HeroLab: 3.5 & Pathfinder. HL User Files for PF: Greyhawk Setting, Gamma World (WIP). DM and player of D&D since 1980.
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