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Yes, that's part of my argument.
My character has a +19 on Perception (I think) so I should be able to know there's an invisible someone in the room with me, although adding to the DC because of combat is reasonable (maybe a +2 for being distracted, and even another +2 if I'm focused on combatants across the room and the invisible someone is behind me). My point to the GM is simply that there should've been a reactive check available. Being able to show that with a roll of 20 my character can detect "a group of goblins moving across hard rock two weeks ago" would go a long ways towards showing that my character should at least have the chance of detecting an invisible someone. |
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That would be Survival skill for tracking, not Perception :-)
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CRB pg 563 A creature can generally notice the presence of an active invisible creature within 30 feet with a DC 20 Perception check. The observer gains a hunch that “something’s there” but can’t see it or target it accurately with an attack.
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Good advice, in general.
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I wasn't following the tracks, I was just pointing out that I had found them.
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In general, the invisibility rules are a mess. Has PF2 cleaned them up? I certainly hope so!
(When you combine the text from the Perception and Stealth skills, the invisibility spell, the Invisible and Incorporeal definitions, and various feats like Blindfight, there are some peculiar inconsistencies.) But it's a game. Grin and bear it. |
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