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I didn't kickstart RW, I hadn't even heard of it when I came to it. I got HL at the recommendation of someone on the Fantasy Grounds forums. I was so impressed at its functionality over e-tools (which I was stubbornly still using) that I bought 2 copies before realizing I could get a second licence, and went looking for other software by LWD to make my life easier. I downloaded Army Builder for minis games and looked at the promos for Realm Works because 50 dollars American is a big investment for me. I showed the promos to my wife who was just as impressed and bought me a copy for my once around the sun day, back in October. It has been 9 months and my wife complains that I spend all my time updating and tweaking and inputting one of the 15 Realms I have created, and I applied to the Grey Council.
My point is, I didn't back this program, I wish I had known because I'd have been an Alpha Wolf backer, just based on the programs current functionality. I didn't get the program based on what it might do, but rather on what it DOES do. When I got it, it didn't have Import/Export and I only made a couple of realms because I had to input each individually, but I bought it KNOWING it didn't have that function. If you did back this program on KS, kudos. The program ALREADY does more than anything like it (is there even anything like it?) and is complex enough that unless you are one of the small few on here that REALLY get it, there is probably a TON of functions unused. However, backing on KS does not ENTITLE you to ANYTHING! When you back on KS, you are investing in the stock that is Realm Works. If the marketeer fails to deliver on time, the stock value drops. The stock that you invested in is now worth less. If the market crashes (The program flops and LWD pulls the plug), they owe you NOTHING! You took your chances with the market and you didn't get the return you wanted, but you DID get a return. The fact is, with all the things this program comes with, including (currently) free backup service (I hesitate to use the word cloud), it is worth the money you invested, and if you invested too much money, too bad, live and learn, we all get taken by the market now and again and you still have a GREAT program. The moral of my story is don't buy promises. If you buy based on speculations, you deserve what you get. You invest based on speculations, and never invest more than you are prepared to lose outright. If you buy, buy it for what it is not what it could be, or I have a few foals I can sell you at very high prices that MIGHT be prize winning race horses someday. just my 2 cp BTW, thanks LW Staff I know you are doing your best and are just as frustrated by these delays as we are. Erin |
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When we have big news, or even small but important news, you'll absolutely be seeing it! But giving tech updates before the work is finished is just guess work and that doesn't serve anyone well. At this point I can't even envision Gen Con coming and going before we see the content market but I can't guarantee that something won't go sideways on some security issue or a major bug won't crop up. All any of us can do at this point is wait and use the amazing tool that we have already, as it is, to make something fantastic of our own. |
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I've read this sooo often and people keep repeating it over and over again and yet it is still WRONG.
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That's what LWD has agreed on by doing the KS in the first place. Yes I do have to accept delays or changes in content or planned behavior BUT I think we KS people have done a good job in keeping our part of the contract by waiting for something four long years AFTER the planned delivery date and accepting that priorities within the project have changed, certain features have been delayed and so on. We have been very true to our part because we are STILL here and not taking legal actions. At least speaking for myself I've never even thought about that anyway. So what we are asking for is just that LWD does hold true to their part of the agreement as well which DOES actually include "regular, insightful, and honest updates". https://www.kickstarter.com/help/handbook/updates So please stop spreading false information that we are not entitled to anything. |
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"Backers appreciate regular, insightful, and honest updates. Don’t be hesitant to communicate delays or changes to your original plans — or to just check in. (If backers don’t hear from you for a while, they worry that you may be having trouble doing the work you promised.)" They are *not* obligated to update you every time they check in code. I would be really interested to know what part of their obligation you don't believe they are upholding? |
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Alright folks, this is heading toward getting out of hand, let's take a deep breath and think before posting. Please play nice and try to be civil to one another or we'll be facing time outs from the playground.
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Hey, BJ, I must respectfully disagree about your update point. The one thing periodic updates will do is give us a sense of progress during the times when the silence is kind of unbearable around here. Just a periodic post of what you accomplished as technical or non-technical as you wish. No promise of where you are going, just a summary of what was done. You should try it; it should garner you a lot more good will. Yes, there will be those who press you for dates and features, but you just state up front that the thread is only progress reports.
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Regardless, Realm Works has changed many times since the Kickstarter and I doubt it will ever match up perfectly with any individual's perception of what they thought was going to come out of the project. It is what it is, and what remains for KS backers is some content and some amount of cloud service. Last edited by Parody; June 27th, 2017 at 07:41 PM. |
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In my professional life I saw besides some really good projects also too many projects that failed. Investigation to identify the root cause for failures was always leading to the same result: insufficient or wrong communication.
If there is a technical difficulty, it is not necessarily a problem if you tell your boss/client/customer about it and the way you are going to handle it, with the impact this difficulty is going to have on your project plan and the costs. I simply can't understand why it is so difficult/impossible for LWD to give short regular updates. It does not necessarily have to be very detailed on a technical level. Therefore the statements don't have to be written by developers. Something like "we discovered that the current database structure makes it impossible to implement this necessary feature so we will have to redesign the structure and change a lot of code. It will take at least some weeks to finish that." could be discussed at lunchtime with the marketing person who then generates this short update, and the crowd has some eagerly awaited info to keep them quiet for a while longer. DM: Tol'Uluk - game system independent homebrew world (so far AD&D 2, D&D3.5, Fate, Pathfinder, D&D5) Tools: RW, CC3+, CD3, DD3, HL RL: Retired senior IT manager. Now just housewife, grandma and fantasy author. |
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