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any updates?

Philderbeast

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it seems like its been complete radio silence since the Content market came out.

can we expect any more updates? and if so what time frame are we looking at?
 
We're working as hard and as fast as we can to get features in place and revealed. It's impossible to say when these tasks will be complete. Thanks for your continued patience. :D
 
We're working as hard and as fast as we can to get features in place and revealed. It's impossible to say when these tasks will be complete. Thanks for your continued patience. :D
That's at direct variance with what BJ has stated. Could we possibly get a single answer, is RW development currently under way or not?
 
Sure, I understand your frustration. Different Devs are working on different projects at any given time. They move back and forth, help each other figure things out, it's impossible to tell what is on each day's docket. Yes, RW is being worked on. Yes, HLC and HLO are being worked on. It's all an ongoing process. I'm sorry we can't give you a more solid answer at this time. Please continue to watch for announcements here and on social media. We'll tell you about new developments just as soon as we are able. Thank you.
 
*thumbs up* things will work out in the end.
The tool is mostly usable and great!

Just let the cat out of the box someday and introduce paid dlc/major updates :D My guess is that this model would work better for you. You get a steady influx of money for delivered major features, sounds great for me.

And about the promises broken regarding kickstarter - (if anything is left i am not sure): the stuff didn't make it due to development constraints and various bumps during the project. Look at the delayed CM launch for example. So it's clear, that some other features had to be de-priotized.

Therefore look forward, think about what would work best with Realm Works and hopefully we will see a few major release cycles. Just guessing here but Iam almost certain that most GM-RW-buyers would pay for major updates.
 
Just guessing here but I am almost certain that most GM-RW-buyers would pay for major updates.

Before I respond, I need to make clear that I'm very happy with RW, and am content (mostly) to wait patiently for the completion of features promised in the Kickstarter and for additional content in the CM. Every once in a while I flare up, but overall "I'm good."

Now, I may be in the minority, but I would not be happy if I were asked to pay for updates.

First, I'm a LONG time LoneWolf customer and paying for product updates is not the expectation that's been set by them. I shell out $$ for additional content to HLC for the game systems I use, and I expect I'll do so for HLO as well once that product has the functionality I need. But throughout our relationship, LWD has not charged for product updates, and for them to start doing so would put me off completely.

Second, I payed handsomely for the "lifetime top-tier" server access, which it's looking more and more like will prove to be of small value. There looks to be only one tier, and the charge for it is small enough that by the time my return on that "investment" gets me to break even I'll be years in the grave. So in my mind, I've already paid - and paid, and paid - for any major upgrades far into the future.

Finally, while I'm happy with RW and mostly patient about waiting for those things mentioned above, I've waited a long time for the functionality that was promised in the KS. I'm still waiting for some of it, years and years later, while LWD moves on to new products at the expense of completing products they've already sold. I expected that - it's been their production model going back years - and I bought RW anyway. But I'm not so complacent about it that I'm ready to shell out again for updates.

This may be wrong-headed, and others may have a very different opinion, but it's where I'm at personally.
 
Now, I may be in the minority, but I would not be happy if I were asked to pay for updates.

First, I'm a LONG time LoneWolf customer and paying for product updates is not the expectation that's been set by them. I shell out $$ for additional content to HLC for the game systems I use, and I expect I'll do so for HLO as well once that product has the functionality I need. But throughout our relationship, LWD has not charged for product updates, and for them to start doing so would put me off completely.

It seems possible that LWD has a less-than-optimum business model in place with this strategy. I would completely understand a RW 2.0 upgrade that has to be paid for. It should however be a MAJOR upgrade, not just some bug fixes.
So in my mind, I've already paid - and paid, and paid - for any major upgrades far into the future.

I don't think so. You simply don't know what a major upgrade could look like. There are so many possible improvements that would require a costly partial re-development that it could really make sense to have to pay for them. The business model for that, however, absolutely depends on the number of possible customers.
 
In all propability you are right, EightBitz.

Sad but true. If there was an easy way to salvage my homebrew worlds and take them to a competetive product, I might have already done it.

But, on the other hand, I have not abandoned all hope yet, that RW will become a supported product once again, even though this utter silence speaks volumes.
 
In all propability you are right, EightBitz.
even though this utter silence speaks volumes.

Since RW launched there has been mostly silence with a few bursts of communication. In the early days things were better, but for years now it has been very poor communication from LWD.

I would be willing to pay for a major update if it means we get major updates. If it was easy to get my stuff transferred out of RW I would have done it already. For now, I am only using RW with a game I have been running for a long time. All my more recent games are sans RW. I will probably just use google drive from now on for organization. Now that google drive is easy to sync and use across devices that will work fine for me.

The product as it is now would be an OK product, except that it is not dependable. Myself and others have way to many crashes and sync errors for me to trust it. Add to that the generally poor customer service that LWD offers for RW and it is a risky venture.

Maybe someday there will be a top tier GM tool for managing games, but that day is not yet here. I have not been swept off my feet by other products out there either.

If D&D Beyond continues to grow as it has been that may become a great option for D&D DMs in the future. The way they communicate with users and make steady updates is very encouraging.
 
It seems possible that LWD has a less-than-optimum business model in place with this strategy. I would completely understand a RW 2.0 upgrade that has to be paid for. It should however be a MAJOR upgrade, not just some bug fixes.

Yes, I think so, too.

And, at least in my humble and more or less irrelevant opinion, they are backing the wrong horse overall. It looks like they are focussing more or less on one major game system instead of really aiming at those of us who GM more than one system, those with homebrew systems and worlds, those playing minor systems etc.
And, how about aiming at authors, who write complex stories?

From my point of view, this would need improved storyboards, custom calendars etc.:
https://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=61552
And interfaces to word processors and VTTs.
 
Seems to be that they should immediately open up the CM for user created products. At the very least it would help grow the available CM products. For all the work that went into CM, those that don't don't play don't have much to spend money on there. It would also infuse some much needed excitement back into the community.
 
Seems to be that they should immediately open up the CM for user created products. At the very least it would help grow the available CM products. For all the work that went into CM, those that don't don't play don't have much to spend money on there. It would also infuse some much needed excitement back into the community.
This! What happened to the "grey council?"
 
Sure, I understand your frustration. Different Devs are working on different projects at any given time. They move back and forth, help each other figure things out, it's impossible to tell what is on each day's docket. Yes, RW is being worked on. Yes, HLC and HLO are being worked on. It's all an ongoing process. I'm sorry we can't give you a more solid answer at this time. Please continue to watch for announcements here and on social media. We'll tell you about new developments just as soon as we are able. Thank you.

so what's being worked on? what progress is being made on it?

there was a prommise of weekly updates made, so can we get them, or are we going to continue to get empty promises when it comes to Realm works?
 
so what's being worked on? what progress is being made on it?

there was a prommise of weekly updates made, so can we get them, or are we going to continue to get empty promises when it comes to Realm works?

In other posts they have made clear that the promise of updates was only until the CM launched. They consider that a fulfilled promise. I agree that the original promise did not make that at all clear.
 
In other posts they have made clear that the promise of updates was only until the CM launched. They consider that a fulfilled promise. I agree that the original promise did not make that at all clear.

Well, thus far, it's a pretty small market. I'm not necessarily looking for more features. There is definitely stuff that I would buy if it was available, but right now it's not. Just give me more options content wise and fix bugs.
 
If there was an easy way to salvage my homebrew worlds and take them to a competetive product, I might have already done it.

But, on the other hand, I have not abandoned all hope yet, that RW will become a supported product once again, even though this utter silence speaks volumes.

I think LWD is too small a company to manage the different products professionally. It may be more fun to work in such an environment but in the end it would definitely be better for the market if some professional software developing company took over the little shack. RW has the potential to become a really great product, but the way it is currently treated negates that.
 
Well, I wish LWD would just open the sourcecode and add some features to the cloud service. Thus creating a sustainable business model and plannable income for continous incremental improvements of the product. At the same time you can make use of the incredible talent in the community.
 
I'm sure BJ or another Lone Wolf person will come by to give an update on communication, but if people haven't been following the Facebook group, here was her last update that was Realm Works related a few weeks ago:

"We aren't being quiet because we're hiding anything, we're being quiet because there is just absolutely nothing to report on the RW front beyond some PF1 society releases that released as I was heading to Gen Con and the already announced server time being available to purchase.

Realm Works is our passion project, but currently, we need to focus on the products that pay the bills. With the surprise of PF2 coming out and needing to get it all into place before PF1 sales drop off entirely we had to pull pretty much everyone off other teams to ensure it was even remotely close to done on time. We are still supporting Realm Works and have every intention of continuing to do so but at the end of the day we are a business and we have to make sure we take the steps to ensure all our products, Realm Works included, continue to be available for many years to come. Once things calm down, we hope to be able to reassign people back to working on Realm Works again and get fixes and new systems in place."

So, hopefully that will happen soon, since Pathfinder 2 is available for Hero Lab Online now (I'm not a Pathfinder player so I haven't been following the Pathfinder 2 release too closely).

Hopefully we'll get some devs assigned back to Realm Works soonish. I'd love to see releases for Realm Works of the game systems supported by Hero Lab Classic, since that integration between the two products is really fantastic and something I enjoy quite a bit. I'd buy the Shadowrun releases immediately.

I am, however, a bit worried with Hero Lab Online what that is going to do with my Realm Works / Hero Lab integration in the future. Realm Works is user-friendly enough that with enough time and effort I can build a world in Realm Works. Hero Lab Classic is NOT user friendly enough for me to build in. I'm playing Infinity 2D20 at the moment, and I'd love nothing more than to have all my characters and NPCs in Hero Lab, but alas I just can't program all that, so I just have to deal with copying statblocks into Realm Works and living without the combat tracker.

I'm really curious what's going to happen with Shadowrun 6th Edition, and whether that is going to get built into Hero Lab Online or Classic. Cause I really want that Realm Works integration!
 
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