BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted

A few things I've noticed: any character can get an iron halo (which
is an independent-char only piece of wargear, IIRC). I think there
was something else that should have been independent char only, and
wasn't, but I don't recall right now.

Space marine units that can get a Land Raider may not choose to have
a LRCrusader instead (unless I'm misinterpreting C:Arm. I see any non-
BTemplar army as being able to take 1 (and only 1) LRCru in place of
*any* LR normall allowed. IE, a Terminator squad or command squad
shoul dbe able to take their allowed LR Transport as a LRCrusader...)

Oh, yeah, and Grey Knights don't reflect the new 5+ invulnerable save
for terminator armor

Sorry to nit-pick, and thanks for all the great work!


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One fine day in the middle of the night, silvercat@dreamseeker.org got
up to write:

>A few things I've noticed: any character can get an iron halo (which
>is an independent-char only piece of wargear, IIRC). I think there
>was something else that should have been independent char only, and
>wasn't, but I don't recall right now.

I think you're right. I'll check it out.

>Space marine units that can get a Land Raider may not choose to have
>a LRCrusader instead (unless I'm misinterpreting C:Arm. I see any non-
>BTemplar army as being able to take 1 (and only 1) LRCru in place of
>*any* LR normall allowed. IE, a Terminator squad or command squad
>shoul dbe able to take their allowed LR Transport as a LRCrusader...)

If you can find anywhere in the codex where it says that, let me know
and I'll add it. I had a look after someone asked me this a while ago,
and couldn't find anything saying this was the case.

>Oh, yeah, and Grey Knights don't reflect the new 5+ invulnerable save
>for terminator armor

Damn, I thought I'd forgotten something.

>Sorry to nit-pick, and thanks for all the great work!

Thanks!

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> >A few things I've noticed: any character can get an iron halo (which
> >is an independent-char only piece of wargear, IIRC). I think there
> >was something else that should have been independent char only, and
> >wasn't, but I don't recall right now.
>
> I think you're right. I'll check it out.

Iron Halo is simply restricted to "one per army". Any character allowed to
take wargear can take the Iron Halo.

>
> >Space marine units that can get a Land Raider may not choose to have
> >a LRCrusader instead (unless I'm misinterpreting C:Arm. I see any non-
> >BTemplar army as being able to take 1 (and only 1) LRCru in place of
> >*any* LR normall allowed. IE, a Terminator squad or command squad
> >shoul dbe able to take their allowed LR Transport as a LRCrusader...)
>
> If you can find anywhere in the codex where it says that, let me know
> and I'll add it. I had a look after someone asked me this a while ago,
> and couldn't find anything saying this was the case.

pg 24 C:Armageddon
"Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
maximum of one"

My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
replaced with a Land Radier Crusader. 2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules do
not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.

Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.

Shawn Campbell


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One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>pg 24 C:Armageddon
>"Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
>take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
>black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
>maximum of one"
>
>My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
>replaced with a Land Radier Crusader.

Not unless you're seriously stretching it a bit. Nowhere does it use the
word "replace", for example, which is fairly important.

>2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
>Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules do
>not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
>says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.
>
>Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
>transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.

Indeed.

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> pg 24 C:Armageddon
> "Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
> take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
> black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
> maximum of one"
>
> My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
> replaced with a Land Radier Crusader. 2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
> Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules
do
> not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
> says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.
>
> Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
> transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.
>
> Shawn Campbell

Fair enough. I can accept option #2.

As for transport, terminator squads may not get the transport option, but
command squads do...


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"Shawn Campbell" <shawn@e...> wrote:
> My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land
raider is
> replaced with a Land Radier Crusader. 2) An additional choice of 0-
1 Land
> Raider crusaders is added to heavy support.

Ruling From Tim H.--option 2. I had hoped my Wolf Lord w/ Wolf Guard
termies would be able to take it as a transport (think of the
possibilities...), but no.

~Pete


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