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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
2. Re: Re: AB 2 Upgrade Path Question
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
3. Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Hey Colen
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
5. Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...
From: bsobb@netscape.net
6. Re: Hey Colen
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
7. Re: Hey Colen
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
8. a REAL wolf guard error....
From: bsobb@netscape.net
9. Re: a REAL wolf guard error....
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
10. RE: Hey Colen
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
11. Re: Hey Colen
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
12. Re: Hey Colen
From: doublenot7@aol.com
13. Re: a REAL wolf guard error....
From: bsobb@netscape.net
14. Re: Re: Warmasterquestion
From: Mike Wood <balzemon@yahoo.com>
15. Salamanders Artificer Armour
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
16. Re: a REAL wolf guard error....
From: bsobb@netscape.net
17. 3 space wolf errors
From: bsobb@netscape.net
18. Re: Hey Colen
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
19. RE: Hey Colen
From: "Roger Dunnell" <rdunnell@kscable.com>
20. Re: AB 2 is appreciated!!!
From: vitozilla@hotmail.com
21. RE: Hey Colen
From: "Mathius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
22. Re: Hey Colen
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
23. RE: Hey Colen
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
24. Re: Hey Colen
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
25. RE: Hey Colen
From: Rob Moser <moser@cse.unsw.edu.au>


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:25:10 +0100
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...

> White Dwarf sometimes get things wrong. The Roolzboyz often get things
> wrong. If you can find evidence in the Space Wolf codex to support
> that Wolf Guard Battle Leaders get cheap wargear please present it, but
> otherwise I don't think it was the intention of the game designers to
> give multi-wound, multi-attack characters 5 point Terminator Armour.

The question about items being bought for thw WGBL was raised on my SW mailing
list and an email sent to Jervis to clarify the entry in the SW codex.

Jervis says that the WGBL buys items at the full points cost - not the cheaper
Wolf Guard prices. He's not a normal Wolf Guard from the Elites section, he's an
HQ choice and Independent Character.

Hope that clears up some confusion.


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:54:29 -0500
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: Re: AB 2 Upgrade Path Question

Ahhh... sorry... got into the habit of helping people with upgrading there
actual system.. heh.. Get into that one track mode and see what happens
Heh..

Yeah he also stated that if you bought it at a shop he doesn't know if he'll
be able to swap it out since he doesn't have a record of it, like if you
ordered from the website, but he will look into doing something for it...
it'll just take a bit

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom " <tnnlynch@hotmail.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: [AB] Re: AB 2 Upgrade Path Question


> > I think they are considering the possibility of a CD -> CD
> > upgrade, but Rob's really busy right now and when someone
> > asked a couple of days ago, he said "ask me again after the 20th"
> > (or something like that :-)
> >
> > Russell.
> >
> Thanks. I was refering to the cd -> cd deal. I must have missed Rob's
> earlier posting.
> Tom
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:16:49 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...

One fine day in the middle of the night, Jimi
<james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk> got up to write:

>> White Dwarf sometimes get things wrong. The Roolzboyz often get things
>> wrong. If you can find evidence in the Space Wolf codex to support
>> that Wolf Guard Battle Leaders get cheap wargear please present it, but
>> otherwise I don't think it was the intention of the game designers to
>> give multi-wound, multi-attack characters 5 point Terminator Armour.
>
>The question about items being bought for thw WGBL was raised on my SW mailing
>list and an email sent to Jervis to clarify the entry in the SW codex.
>
>Jervis says that the WGBL buys items at the full points cost - not the cheaper
>Wolf Guard prices. He's not a normal Wolf Guard from the Elites section, he's an
>HQ choice and Independent Character.

You're the man, Mr J.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:16:47 -0500
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Hey Colen

Hey Colen,

Don't know if any harassed you yet about this or not... On the Steel Legion list under elites you have Catachan Devils and Veteran Assault Units. I think <could be wrong> that you can not have these as they are Catachan Units... Just a FYI

Matt


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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:24:14 -0000
From: bsobb@netscape.net
Subject: Re: Error in the Space Wolf files again...

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, vaul@a... wrote:
> I can't believe nobody else picked up on this. Wolf Guard battle
> leaders take their wargear with Wolf Guard prices. It's in some WD
or
> something as one of the advantages of taking a WGBL. Besides that,
> the rulesboyz said that was the case too, and nobody's contradicted
> them on that. It's always been the way I used my list on pen and
> paper, and I figure AB should do that better.
>
> P.S. Does anyone know how much the Citadel Journal costs in Canada?

I just thought I'd make my first ever egroups post about something I
actually no something about, so here it goes.

I too saw the jervis email. He did in fact state that that was an
editing error in the codex, and was meant to be taken out before it
went to print. The codex does in fact state that the WGBL takes his
stuff at wolf guard prices. The correction has never made it into
"official" print, however. Just an obscure email from Jervis.

If you would like to continue taking your WGBL with Blowout Sale
Priced equipment with your local buddies who have no clue about this
editing error, than feel free. I'd personally be ashamed taking this
broken character, and I'm happy Army Builder is on top of the
situation...

Brian the New Guy



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:31:31 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

One fine day in the middle of the night, Matthius <Mathius@ticnet.com>
got up to write:

> Hey Colen,
> *
> Don't know if any harassed you yet about this or not... On the Steel Legion
> list under elites you have Catachan Devils and Veteran Assault Units. I
> think <could be wrong> that you can not have these as they are Catachan
> Units... Just a FYI

Steel Legion says you can take anything in an Imperial Guard army, IIRC.
Imperial Guard armies can include the above units. Therefore...

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:51:30 -0500
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

Hmmm... I'll double check my codex... <not that I have enough points in a
Steel Legion force to include them anyway>... Doing this at work <love the
AB CD heh> so not absolutely sure hehe

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills" <demandred@skrill.org>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AB] Hey Colen


> One fine day in the middle of the night, Matthius <Mathius@ticnet.com>
> got up to write:
>
> > Hey Colen,
> >
> > Don't know if any harassed you yet about this or not... On the Steel
Legion
> > list under elites you have Catachan Devils and Veteran Assault Units.
I
> > think <could be wrong> that you can not have these as they are
Catachan
> > Units... Just a FYI
>
> Steel Legion says you can take anything in an Imperial Guard army, IIRC.
> Imperial Guard armies can include the above units. Therefore...
>
> --
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:49:26 -0000
From: bsobb@netscape.net
Subject: a REAL wolf guard error....

I have found one real error, just in my initial meanderings through
the space wolf list.

When you select a few Wolf Guard Bodyguards for your (insert
character X here), and you give them termi armor and a (insert heavy
weapon X here), it gives all of them a heavy weapon X as opposed to
"Up to one in three models."

Now, as much as I REALLY wish I could have 5 heavy flamer termis to
tag along with my wolf priest, I don't think it's what Jervis had in
mind...



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:58:13 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: a REAL wolf guard error....

One fine day in the middle of the night, bsobb@netscape.net got up to
write:

>I have found one real error, just in my initial meanderings through
>the space wolf list.
>
>When you select a few Wolf Guard Bodyguards for your (insert
>character X here), and you give them termi armor and a (insert heavy
>weapon X here), it gives all of them a heavy weapon X as opposed to
>"Up to one in three models."
>
>Now, as much as I REALLY wish I could have 5 heavy flamer termis to
>tag along with my wolf priest, I don't think it's what Jervis had in
>mind...

1) What does it tell you to do on the page that says "Attention Scruffy
Urchin"?
2) What have you not done?

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:01:30 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: Hey Colen

C:A pg 29 3rd paragraph:

"Deathworld veteran units from codex: catachans may not be used in a steel
legion mechanized infantry company."

The only unit in C:C that can be taken is the Deathworld Sentinel Squadron.
It specifically states in the special rules section that Deathworld
Sentinels don't count as Deathworld Veterans.

Shawn Campbell

> From: Matthius [mailto:Mathius@ticnet.com]
> Hmmm... I'll double check my codex... <not that I have enough points in a
> Steel Legion force to include them anyway>... Doing this at work <love the
> AB CD heh> so not absolutely sure hehe
>
> Matt
>

> From: "'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills" <demandred@skrill.org>
> > Steel Legion says you can take anything in an Imperial Guard army, IIRC.
> > Imperial Guard armies can include the above units. Therefore...

>



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:18:58 -0500
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

I thought I wasn't hallucinating Thanks Shawn...

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AB] Hey Colen


> C:A pg 29 3rd paragraph:
>
> "Deathworld veteran units from codex: catachans may not be used in a steel
> legion mechanized infantry company."
>
> The only unit in C:C that can be taken is the Deathworld Sentinel
Squadron.
> It specifically states in the special rules section that Deathworld
> Sentinels don't count as Deathworld Veterans.
>
> Shawn Campbell
>
> > From: Matthius [mailto:Mathius@ticnet.com]
> > Hmmm... I'll double check my codex... <not that I have enough points in
a
> > Steel Legion force to include them anyway>... Doing this at work <love
the
> > AB CD heh> so not absolutely sure hehe
> >
> > Matt
> >
>
> > From: "'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills" <demandred@skrill.org>
> > > Steel Legion says you can take anything in an Imperial Guard army,
IIRC.
> > > Imperial Guard armies can include the above units. Therefore...
>
> >
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:17:10 EDT
From: doublenot7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

I detachment of Catachan Devils may be taken by any IG army, I dont believe
the Catachan Assault Squads may be taken by any other than Catachans.


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:41:07 -0000
From: bsobb@netscape.net
Subject: Re: a REAL wolf guard error....

Yes, well, I have read the FAQ and have still not found the answer to
my wolf guard problems...

Perhaps you can please be more specific?



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:42:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Wood <balzemon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Warmasterquestion

--- bjorn.nilsson@farmen.se wrote:
> Will you upgrade them soon?
> I have found some errors in it.

I have a version for 2.0 already done. If you'll send me a list of
the errors I'll check to make sure they are fixed. Private e-mail
will be fine -- no need to clutter the list.


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:34:02 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: Salamanders Artificer Armour

Salamander Characters can have Artificer Armour for 15pts.

When an HQ unit (Librarian, Chaplain, Commander, etc.) has a command squad
he is _not_ an independent character, so should be allowed artificer armour
for 15pts.

I'm not sure how to edit this in. I'll probably look up Apothecaries and see
how the 10pt/15pt terminator honours is dealt with.

Thanks,
Shawn Campbell



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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:35:01 -0000
From: bsobb@netscape.net
Subject: Re: a REAL wolf guard error....

Sorry, I found the FAQ you were talking about.

Got another one for you though: It won't give me the option of
choosing Healing Balms and Potions for my Wolf Priest.

Is there another way to get this piece of wargear or was it left out?

Brian



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:47:26 -0000
From: bsobb@netscape.net
Subject: 3 space wolf errors

When you right click on the wolf priest the description that pops up
is that of a rune priest, but with the wolf priest weapons. Also
there is no mention of the Iron wolf amulet (4+ invulnerable save)
with the weapons, nor is it included in the stat profile.

And again, there doesn't seem to be a way of giving the wolf priest
the healing balms and potions wargear choice.

If I am missing something please let me know.

Brian




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:20:06 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>C:A pg 29 3rd paragraph:
>
>"Deathworld veteran units from codex: catachans may not be used in a steel
>legion mechanized infantry company."
>
>The only unit in C:C that can be taken is the Deathworld Sentinel Squadron.
>It specifically states in the special rules section that Deathworld
>Sentinels don't count as Deathworld Veterans.

Hmm, good show. I'll fix it in Beta or Alpha-III.

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:30:19 -0000
From: "Roger Dunnell" <rdunnell@kscable.com>
Subject: RE: Hey Colen

hi, i noted when i downloaded V2.0 AB that the 40k IG stuff had a lot of new
armor variants, mostly from forge world. where do i get the offical play
rules for these variants?
rd

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 22:20
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Hey Colen


One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>C:A pg 29 3rd paragraph:
>
>"Deathworld veteran units from codex: catachans may not be used in a steel
>legion mechanized infantry company."
>
>The only unit in C:C that can be taken is the Deathworld Sentinel Squadron.
>It specifically states in the special rules section that Deathworld
>Sentinels don't count as Deathworld Veterans.

Hmm, good show. I'll fix it in Beta or Alpha-III.

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:06:42 -0000
From: vitozilla@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: AB 2 is appreciated!!!

> p5, Space Marine codex: "Options: Lists the different weapon /
equipment
> options for the unit ... these may only be taken by ordinary squad
> members, not the Sergeant." So now you know.

It has always been there clear as day! I guess that's just one of
the advantages to a program and datafile that make you follow the
rules. Thanks for you care to make a technically correct datafile!
Later,
Kevin



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:16:55 -0500
From: "Mathius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: RE: Hey Colen

Most of the "un-official" rules for the armor variants are in Citadel
Journal and Inquisitor.. You can find the rules posted several places on the
net. The warp is good and so is Portent.. check those two sites, they
probably have them still up

Matt

reason I say un-official is because I believe they are not Chapter
Approved.. I may be wrong on that though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Dunnell [mailto:rdunnell@kscable.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 12:30 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: RE: [AB] Hey Colen


hi, i noted when i downloaded V2.0 AB that the 40k IG stuff had a lot of new
armor variants, mostly from forge world. where do i get the offical play
rules for these variants?
rd

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 22:20
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Hey Colen


One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>C:A pg 29 3rd paragraph:
>
>"Deathworld veteran units from codex: catachans may not be used in a steel
>legion mechanized infantry company."
>
>The only unit in C:C that can be taken is the Deathworld Sentinel Squadron.
>It specifically states in the special rules section that Deathworld
>Sentinels don't count as Deathworld Veterans.

Hmm, good show. I'll fix it in Beta or Alpha-III.

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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:06:58 -0400
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen

Greetings from a newcomer to the list (though not to Army Builder, nor 40K).

I play Dark Angels, and I have a small quibble with the Dark Angels
datafiles (v2.0 Pattern Alpha). Specifically, with the way it handles the
Master/Grand Master of the Deathwing.

A quote form his rule entry, P6, Codexark Angels

Master of the Deathwing: One Master or Grand Master may be made Master of
the Deathwing. He *must* be equipped with Terminator Armor, and may be given
any additional equipment allowed from the Dark Angels Armory. If accompanied
by a Command squad, then it must be upgraded to a Deathwing Command squad
(see Command squad entry opposite).

[emphasis mine]

Firstly, is he in fact a special character? I looked all through my codex,
and I found no mention of it. The Master of the Ravenwing mentions that he
is, both in the Dark Angels Hero section, and in his special rules. But
there is no such mention in the Master of the Deathwing entry.

Secondly, why does the AB entry for him give him his required terminator
armor for free? He is costed at 80 for a Grand Master, and 65 for a Master,
the same as his non-Deathwing compatriots. He should cost 25 points over the
non-upgraded characters (105pts / 90pts).

Thirdly, I'd like to thank everyone involved for producing these files, and
hope that just because my first public comment on them is a criticism, that
they realize that I enormously appreciate their time and effort.

Ian Argent, Member of the Inner Circle of the Dark Angels



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:44:24 -0500
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
Subject: RE: Hey Colen

That's it.. grab the flamers.... set the torpedoes... ramming speed!

Hey, if we didn't have people to point things out.. it wouldn't get fixed
heh..

I'm sure Colen loves all the love mail he gets although I know he's
getting ready for Gen Con so he probably won't get to it for atleast a week


We won't hold it against you though ... we're mostly a good bunch of
folks... <cough cough>

Matt

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hurley [mailto:silvercat@dreamseeker.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 8:07 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Hey Colen


Greetings from a newcomer to the list (though not to Army Builder, nor 40K).

I play Dark Angels, and I have a small quibble with the Dark Angels
datafiles (v2.0 Pattern Alpha). Specifically, with the way it handles the
Master/Grand Master of the Deathwing.

A quote form his rule entry, P6, Codexark Angels

Master of the Deathwing: One Master or Grand Master may be made Master of
the Deathwing. He *must* be equipped with Terminator Armor, and may be given
any additional equipment allowed from the Dark Angels Armory. If accompanied
by a Command squad, then it must be upgraded to a Deathwing Command squad
(see Command squad entry opposite).

[emphasis mine]

Firstly, is he in fact a special character? I looked all through my codex,
and I found no mention of it. The Master of the Ravenwing mentions that he
is, both in the Dark Angels Hero section, and in his special rules. But
there is no such mention in the Master of the Deathwing entry.

Secondly, why does the AB entry for him give him his required terminator
armor for free? He is costed at 80 for a Grand Master, and 65 for a Master,
the same as his non-Deathwing compatriots. He should cost 25 points over the
non-upgraded characters (105pts / 90pts).

Thirdly, I'd like to thank everyone involved for producing these files, and
hope that just because my first public comment on them is a criticism, that
they realize that I enormously appreciate their time and effort.

Ian Argent, Member of the Inner Circle of the Dark Angels




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:59:04 -0400
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
Subject: Re: Hey Colen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthius" <Mathius@ticnet.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 21:44
Subject: RE: [AB] Hey Colen


> That's it.. grab the flamers.... set the torpedoes... ramming speed!
>
> Hey, if we didn't have people to point things out.. it wouldn't get fixed

> heh..
>
> I'm sure Colen loves all the love mail he gets although I know he's
> getting ready for Gen Con so he probably won't get to it for atleast a
week
>
>
> We won't hold it against you though ... we're mostly a good bunch of
> folks... <cough cough>
>
> Matt
>
I happened to be pointing up a 2 kilopoint army for a con soonish, and
noticed the error. I've been playing a 1500-point army in the local league,
with a Deathwing contingent (and they called me MAD to put a 300-point,
5-man squad AND a 259-point transport in a 1500 point army. MAD I say! ...
ahem), and the generally positive experience I had with that has led me to
want to put a Terminator-armored command squad aboard a Crusader for the 2K
list. Hence the sudden interest in the discrepancies in the AB file for the
Master of the Deathwing.

(Besides, I am halfway through building a Terminator-armored Standard
Bearer).

Oooh, hey. Further question... I just noticed that the Iron Halo does not
have a Terminator-allowed star next to it. Correct? Incorrect? Hallucinatory
tendencies on my part? Any idea why not, given that Artificer armor is
cheaper and doesn't have any of the side effects of terminator armor, and is
still allowed to take it?

Ian Argent, Initiate of the Inner Circle





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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:09:57 +1000 (EST)
From: Rob Moser <moser@cse.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: RE: Hey Colen


I'm sure Colen appreciates the feedback too - its the only way things get
fixed. That said, however...

Maybe I misinterpreted the purpose of this list when I signed up, but
wouldn't it make much more sense to just send these comments to Colen? I
signed up hoping to hear about other people's tricks and advice for writing
data files, but instead it just seems to be a continuous argument about
wether or not various datafiles have "got it right". I mean, if hes got it
wrong, theres not much I'm going to do about it, is there? So whats the
point of telling me (and a couple of hundred other people)?

So someone set me straight; is this list a forum for Army Builder datafile
writing, or is it a forum for discussing the foibles of specific datafiles
that happen to be written in AB? Or is it both?

- rob.

Matthius quoth:
>
> I'm sure Colen loves all the love mail he gets although I know he's
> getting ready for Gen Con so he probably won't get to it for atleast a week
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Hurley [mailto:silvercat@dreamseeker.org]
[...]
> Thirdly, I'd like to thank everyone involved for producing these files, and
> hope that just because my first public comment on them is a criticism, that
> they realize that I enormously appreciate their time and effort.


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