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Farling said:
If the wifi goes down then the entire game will be sunk until the internet is restored, easily wasting a game night.
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Lols, the last time I had wifi go down, my power went out, which if I was playing a game would have wasted the game night too. Do you lose wifi that often? Maybe you have a faulty router?

So, once a year I rent a cabin in the boonies for a group of 12 of us to game, guess what? They have wifi there too... Middle of frikkin nowhere and there is wifi.

So honestly answer this:

How often do you game where there is no wifi?
How often does your wifi go out?

If the answer to both of those questions is an unacceptably high number for you, then hero lab online is not the platform for you.
 
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It's a sign of the times.

If you are playing in locations that have no access to wifi or cell data you are in the minority.

That is just how the world is now and the number of black spots world wide are decreasing not increasing.

LWD are in a position where they are not big enough to support every demographic and they need to make a choice on which direction they go. This direction will drive the largest demand. This is the most logical direction.
 
Toblakai said:
Lols, the last time I had wifi go down, my power went out, which if I was playing a game would have wasted the game night too. Do you lose wifi that often? Maybe you have a faulty router?

So, once a year I rent a cabin in the boonies for a group of 12 of us to game, guess what? They have wifi there too... Middle of frikkin nowhere and there is wifi.

So honestly answer this:

How often do you game where there is no wifi?
How often does your wifi go out?

If the answer to both of those questions is an unacceptably high number for you, then hero lab online is not the platform for you.
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My original point was that what works is software that doesn't require a constant connection to function, ie. Hero Lab. As long as it continues to be supported I'll be happy. HLO, while sounding nice, is to me just another boondoggle.

FYI, not all Cellphone ISPs provide equal QOS everywhere. Not all hotel WiFI is terribly reliable... or free. Some people game at hobby stores, it is to be hoped that they graciously provide WiFi.

Most of my devices save my phone are WiFi only, I can't fall back on a cell carrier if the WiFi connection to the internet is interrupted or unavailable.

This summer I was in fact at a con. Used HL in my hotel. HL was also used in a convention hall, AFAIK there was no WiFi and, deep in the building cell service was spotty or non-existant. That would have been impossible to know unless I'd been there before. And the purpose of HL/HLO is to obviate the need for paper, is it not?

Fortunately, I've got it now - most of it. And the hope that Wolflair will continue to support their original product.

I'm just attempting to observe a faulty paradigm. Also I'd like to point out that WiFi and Broadband Internet are seperate things. You can have one function without the other.
 
FWIW, everything I've heard so far indicates that they're going to continue to support Hero Lab Classic. They just might not port new systems like Starfinder to it.
 
Dareshiranu said:
My original point was that what works is software that doesn't require a constant connection to function, ie. Hero Lab. As long as it continues to be supported I'll be happy. HLO, while sounding nice, is to me just another boondoggle.

FYI, not all Cellphone ISPs provide equal QOS everywhere. Not all hotel WiFI is terribly reliable... or free. Some people game at hobby stores, it is to be hoped that they graciously provide WiFi.

Most of my devices save my phone are WiFi only, I can't fall back on a cell carrier if the WiFi connection to the internet is interrupted or unavailable.
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Try using a mobile hot spot, will solve this problem.
This summer I was in fact at a con. Used HL in my hotel. HL was also used in a convention hall, AFAIK there was no WiFi and, deep in the building cell service was spotty or non-existant. That would have been impossible to know unless I'd been there before. And the purpose of HL/HLO is to obviate the need for paper, is it not?
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I went to a con last summer, had decent wifi, I just didn't have a power outlet and my laptop won't last a full day, so I used paper. Dealing with this once a year is not a big deal for me.
Fortunately, I've got it now - most of it. And the hope that Wolflair will continue to support their original product.
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They will, but new systems will more than likely not be ported.
I'm just attempting to observe a faulty paradigm. Also I'd like to point out that WiFi and Broadband Internet are seperate things. You can have one function without the other.
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Luckily HLO will not need broadband.
 
FWIW, Every year I plays hours upon hours for 4 days without WiFi at the largest gaming convention, GenCon.

So far, it's the only place I play PFS (and soon to be SFS). And Sprint cell reception is pretty much non existent in that room so ya...

Personally, since HL is the official tool there, I'm hoping between them and Paizo maybe they will put some free wifi in the room for us to use (because I doubt Starfinder will be on HL Classic by next August)
 
Last I remember the Indiana Convention Center uses Verizon, so if you have a Verizon account you have free wifi.

Perhaps if you have an older unlocked phone, you could buy a month or so of prepaid time from them and get data access.
 
Jamz said:
FWIW, Every year I plays hours upon hours for 4 days without WiFi at the largest gaming convention, GenCon.

So far, it's the only place I play PFS (and soon to be SFS). And Sprint cell reception is pretty much non existent in that room so ya...

Personally, since HL is the official tool there, I'm hoping between them and Paizo maybe they will put some free wifi in the room for us to use (because I doubt Starfinder will be on HL Classic by next August)
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if they are going to push HLO at Gencon, it would be a real bad idea for them to not provide WiFi.
 
Shalekendar said:
*Checking...yep, per month "service fee" that if not paid will stop you from making characters...meets the definition of a "subscription service"...*\

Ahem, you were saying?
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I was commenting on your whining, not the service fee. (Cheese goes with whine, you know...)

Fortunately LWD is not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay, obviously you will be one of those that won't.
 
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What comes next... after providing WiFi along with HLO, do we expect them to provide a smart phone or tablet?
 
Dami said:
What comes next... after providing WiFi along with HLO, do we expect them to provide a smart phone or tablet?
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I think it's fair to say the wifi thing is a legitimate concern, especially for big convention halls, where it's not unusual for there to be areas with no cell service at all. It's not something we can help with everywhere, but it's something we're definitely thinking about for conventions where we have an official presence providing character creation stations for Paizo.
 
Dami said:
What comes next... after providing WiFi along with HLO, do we expect them to provide a smart phone or tablet?
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I think the point of providing WiFi was not to provide it for general use, but for them to have it available for their own demonstrations. I would expect the same in regards to a smart phone or a tablet. I wouldn't expect them to provide these things to their customers, but yes, I would expect them to have at least one of each available for a demonstration.

If you're pitching a product at a gaming convention, I expect to be able to take your product for a test drive, at least on its major selling points.
 
Well, to be honest, it would be a smart marketing move. You have hundreds and hundreds of people in the Paizo room at GenCon playing games almost 24hr for 4 days.

Scene 1: sitting at the table with tablet running HLO on cell phone hotspot (or just on cell phone/etc)
"Whatcha got running there?"
"HLO. Pretty cool, you can view all your stuff and apply modifiers like this...hold on...sorry...hold...on 3g here in this corner...one sec...here! and then you can...hold on...one minute....hold...."
"So you have to be online eh? Hmm, seems to be working um...great...ya..."

vs

Free wifi:
"Whatcha got running there?"
"HLO. it's pretty sweet, you can see your feats here, and your gear here. And apply temp conditions here. Or look up that new item like this..."
"Nice. I'll have to check it out! How much is it?"


I mean, like, if you are going to be selling a product at a convention, SELL the product! Why would you do anything to not put you product in the very best light it can be in?

edit: I'm not saying that's not their intention, in fact it does seem to be what they are looking into...
 
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This might also be a game changer for me as well...

Hero Lab online doesn't allow me to create shadowrun characters. or 5e. Just pathfinder and starfinder.

....just pathfinder...and starfinder...

I don't play either of those. And I have an incredible android tablet that I'd love to pull my characters up on.

Not trying to be mean or anything. But loyalty only goes so far... when something becomes more inconvenient than it is convenient...

I also have a surface.. I'd love to move HL to that, but I'm not buying a second license and I've not had success getting the second license for my surface.
 
SirCuddleBeard said:
This might also be a game changer for me as well...

Hero Lab online doesn't allow me to create shadowrun characters. or 5e. Just pathfinder and starfinder.

....just pathfinder...and starfinder...

I don't play either of those. And I have an incredible android tablet that I'd love to pull my characters up on.

Not trying to be mean or anything. But loyalty only goes so far... when something becomes more inconvenient than it is convenient...

I also have a surface.. I'd love to move HL to that, but I'm not buying a second license and I've not had success getting the second license for my surface.
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They've said in the past that the ultimate plan is to get all the existing systems ported over to HLO. If they hold true to that, then Shadowrun will eventually be available for HLO, and your existing access to it should carry over, so you wouldn't have to buy it again. That's what they've been saying, at least.

What problems have you had getting your second license to work on your surface? I've had no issues with mine.
 
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