I always find it funny that people hate on Pathfinder 1E to be crunchy and complex yet it based completely on DnD 3.5.
Then they make a decent system, a lot less crunchy, more versatile than DnD 5, and really, much more like 5e than 4e, but a lot more options.
And still people complain that it still has "rules".
-Jamz
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