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archamedius
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Old November 12th, 2014, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Caledor View Post
I'll discuss the matter with Ed Steiner as I review the Undead Legion and tell you the outcome. Thanks for all your precious inputs anyway.

EDIT: Like archamedius said, Army Builder should maintain a neutral stance. In 2.85 a ruleset will be added to either allow or forbid these magic items for End of Times armies.
Thank you! With Army Builder's flexible framework there is no reason both sides cannot be accommodated while discussion continues.

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Originally Posted by Caledor View Post
As a side note, there are a lot of other disputes regarding undead legions, mostly about unusual wizards and usage of the undeath lore, and i'd like to hear your opinion about them.

Those that come to mind are: Kairos, Teclis, Kroak, Loremaster of Hoeth, Doomfire Warlocks, Sisters of the Thorn, Pink Horrors of Tzeentch, Dragon Mage of Caledor, Alarielle, Morathi and ALL character with one or more Loremaster rule (except Mazdamundi, for obvious reasons).
ATM this is the situation for them:
  • Loremasters are allowed to choose either the lore they have the rule for, or generate the spell from undeath as normal, but can not choose both. Count Mannfred is the exception, cause being a loremaster for multiple lores, can choose undeath in addition to his usual 2 lores.
  • Pink Horrors can choose either Tzeentch or Undeath.
  • Alarielle and Morathi can add undeath spells to the mix (even though Alarielle with undeath is quite the abomination, must say).
  • Kairos, Teclis, Kroak, the Sisters, the Warlocks and the Loremaster of Hoeth don't get the Lore of Undeath at all. The reason for them is that they never generate spells, as their magical knowledge is strictly defined by their special rules.
  • Dragon Mage also doesn't get it but he's more tricky. I choose to leave him out 'cause even though he generates as normal, he is forced to take at least one Fire spell due to his Warrior Mage rule. And no one is allowed to take multiple lores unless explicitly allowed to. Also, in AB there is no easy way to force selection of the lore of fire should the opt for the lore of undeath, since this is what should happen.
Please tell me what you guys think.
For what it's worth, I believe you are spot on with your analysis. Wizards who's spells are pre selected either through loremaster or other special rules (warlocks and Sister's of Thorn for example) should not get access to lore of Undeath. I also agree the Dragon Mage is forced to use lore of fire because of the Warrior Mage rule. So I am in agreement with all those adjustments.

Thank you for being open minded to discussion and maintaining neutrality in the discussion.
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