Let me see if I've got this straight. In the case of the Naga Shugenja and
Shashakar, the "equivalence" of the two cards can be ignored. However, in
the case of the Crab Clan Ancestral Sword and Ancestral Sword of the Crab
Clan, the equivalence of the two cards DOES need to be distinguished
because they are BOTH designated as "unique". Is that right?
Assuming I'm on track here, I don't understand how only ONE card being
unique makes the pair exempt from deck construction equivalence. I
understand the interpretation if BOTH cards are unique or NEITHER is
unique, but I'm confused about only ONE being unique.
Help?!?!
-Rob
At 03:05 AM 9/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>OK, it's like this. At the time AoD was shipped (the third
>expansion), the Experienced trait was still only applied to
>personalities with the same name. For example, Akido Kage has a
>normal and experienced version. The "generic" Naga personalities in
>Imperial (Shugenja and Warlord) both were done before Naga became a
>faction, so when it came time to experience them, they went through a
>process of "individualization". Thus becoming Shashakar and Shahadet.
>The problem was, thought, that having "experienced" in the trait box
>wouldn't help, because there was no previous version of them.
>Therefore, they used that clunky trait to link the two personalities.
>A few expansions later, as the number of experienced personalities
>with name changes increased (Kage lost the family name, Hisa gained
>it, Yasamura married out-of-clan, etc), this text became too
>cumbersome, and a much more streamlined "Experienced Akodo Kage"
>appeared, and the "counts as X for uniqueness" was gradually changed
>to be used only in one type of cards: Cards that represented the same
>THING, but had a different type (like Hida Kisada becoming a retainer
>holding. He sure can't be overlayed over the old personality, but
>having only the "experienced" trait would allow it, BUT it also
>didn't make sense to have 2 Kisadas in play, one retired old mas as
>holding and one as feisty young behemoth)
>
>I believe Shashakar got the new, simpler "Experienced Naga Shugenja"
>in Jade Edition, where he was reprinted. Anyway, the bottom line is
>that in his old card, that "counts as NS for uniqueness" means only
>that he can be overlaid on it (putting him in play as an "evolution"
>of the NS). The rule would only be limiting in deck construction if
>BOTH cards were unique and had the same experienced level, because
>only then would you be limited to just one per deck.
>
>Was that understandable? I tend to ramble a bit.
>
>Abilio
>
>--- Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com> wrote:
> > The Shashakar from Anvil of Despair says "This card is considered
> > to be the
> > Naga Shugenja for uniqueness". Based on that text and my pitiful
> > LACK of
> > knowledge of all things L5R, it sure sounded to me that Shashakar
> > and the
> > Naga Shugenja must be treated as the same card for uniqueness
> > purposes
> > during deck construction. That's what CV is currently doing.
> >
> > If I'm messed up on this, please explain. Remember, I'm largely
> > clueless
> > about L5R, although I'm doing my best to learn. Things you might
> > consider
> > obvious as a veteran player will be anything BUT obvious to me, so
> > please
> > forgive the ignorance. :-)
> >
> > Thanks, Rob
> >
> > At 12:45 AM 9/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Why would Cardvault care if Shashakar is the NG? All it says is
> > >"Experienced Naga Shugenja", and this should absolutely not matter
> > >for deck construction purposes. All it matters for is that
> > Shashakar
> > >can overlay the NS when it enters play, nothing more. Why is this
> > >rule here? I may be missing something, but I can't see it.
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Lone Wolf Development
www.wolflair.com
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