I have been following this thread and will ask anyone who has been in this
hobby a long time to name a company older than Games Workshop. TSR is now
owned by Wizards which turn is owned by Hasbro. Avalon Hill, SPI, Fasa and
GDW are long gone.
The question I have is: are we willing to put up with some "money-grubbing"
tactics in order to ensure WH and 40K will be around in 20 years? Is paying
an extra dollar per miniature worth having a high quality monthly magazine?
Since GW can generate profits, they can conduct R&D and take risks on new
games and concepts. Other game companies are waiting until they receive a
certain number of orders to begin production, this can take a year or even
longer.
Personally, I don't really buy into the conspiracy theory of GW making
models/armies extinct. These guys are gamers and they are continually
tweaking and re-freshing their product lines. On the whole, I think that
each release is better than the previous. I also agree with GW's request
that all models be painted and of Citadel manufacture. WH and 40K are rich
in atmosphere and background and playing with models consistent with that
background is aesthetically appealing.
I will agree that GW is a very aggressive company, just walk into a GW store
and you will witness and some high-pressure sales tactics. I have also
watched them wipe out distribution channels and bully retailers.
I think you have to take the good with the bad. Overall, I have enjoyed
their products since 1986 and still avidly play GW games today.
-----Original Message-----
From:
VanMan4311@aol.com [mailto:VanMan4311@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:41 PM
To:
ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Future of Army Builder?
In a message dated 4/11/2003 9:09:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tneva82@yahoo.com writes:
> Wanting to stay in business is money-grubbing parasites? Maybe you
> want them to go to bankrupt but I prefer for them to stay up and
> continue the support the game I play.
>
There's a difference between good business tactics and bad business tactics.
GW has bad business tactics. Especially when it comes to pleasing the
shareholders. This is why they are money-grubbing parasites.
> Similary. Does WoTC allow cards not produced by them in their MTG
> tournaments?
>
There is quite a difference between CCGs and Miniature wargames. They're
generally sold in the same store but they aren't part of the miniature
wargaming hobby. Not even close.
Lets look at a similiar arguement. Long standing historical wargaming
companies do not produce every type of Sherman out there, but even if they
did, they would not stop you from bring a Sherman made by a different
manufacturer, but same scale.
Or an even more similar arguement: Every VOID tournament I've played in
(which were not run by i-kore, but were supported by them) we've been able
to
have substitutions for miniatures, whether because it is OoP or not released
yet or just really expensive. It generally costs you victory points, or you
started out in the losers bracket, but you were allowed to play.
Games Workshop has strived to create a reputation that it doesn't exactly
care for the hobby it is a part of. And thus those of us who really do care
for this hobby lash back. It's not nice, but were all adults here, able to
keep it professional.
Brad
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