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Hero Lab Online and Starfinder Q&A

I had 2 questions, they should know the answer to the first they might not know the answer to the second yet. So I will ask the first again and wait on the second for now (Though it is important for me to know so I can know if I am getting the product).

If after I move my content to Herolabs Online and pay the fee and I buy a Data sets later would that data set be available for both version without any additional fees?

Has this been asked and answered any where?
 
Dragnmoon said:
If after I move my content to Herolabs Online and pay the fee and I buy a Data sets later would that data set be available for both version without any additional fees?

Has this been asked and answered any where?
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From my understanding the answer is yes. The data set will be purchased once and be availbe for both HLO and HLC for those systems that have both (ie Pathfinder, 5e, d20 etc). This is possible because the underlying logic of how feats, classes, spells work are exactly the same for HLO and HLC.

The only difference is the UI components that HLO uses vs HLC.

For Starfinder you only have the one choice of HLO for data sets.

HERE is a quote from a LW employee that pretty much says this.
 
Dragnmoon said:
I had 2 questions, they should know the answer to the first they might not know the answer to the second yet. So I will ask the first again and wait on the second for now (Though it is important for me to know so I can know if I am getting the product).

If after I move my content to Herolabs Online and pay the fee and I buy a Data sets later would that data set be available for both version without any additional fees?

Has this been asked and answered any where?
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Here's the FAQ entry for this one:
Q: After I migrate, will my purchases show up in both Hero Lab Online and Hero Lab Classic.
A: So long as your purchase is available in both versions of the program, they sure will!
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I must have missed that in my first read through. Thanks!...

Now I just need to wait and see what the capability of the offline version is. Since I can't rely on an internet connection when I actually play, having the ability to do everything but level up is important (add new items I pick up during play, gold, spell effects, ability effects other bonuses/penalties I get during play).

From what I have read so far they don't seem to have much of a grasp yet on what the offline version will be able to do.

Edit: Now I know why I missed that, first time reading that I was not clear if that meant Future purchases or past purchases once migrating. Based on you using at as a reply to my question I assume it means that future purchases will show up.
 
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I would just like to say thank you for all the information.

I am looking forward to trying HLO when the Open Beta starts. *hoping to hear that it will open soon*
I have used HLC for many years - even buying an iPad (I'm not an Apple fan) just so I could have the portability of the product.

I think you guys are doing a great job with the resources you have and again, I thank you for taking the time to answer questions.
 
Whoa, I had never even heard of Hero Labs until noticing this on Starfinder Forums. Now I can't wait to get the HLO when it comes since I'm running the Starfinder AP and this seems really nice for it. It IS end of September already ;)
 
Dragnmoon future and past purchases will show up. Once Pathfinder is implemented in HLO then all your past PF packages will work. Same with any other system in HLO and HLC. If you own the package and it works with HLO it'll be there.
 
Though that helps, sadly it is still not enough for me to get the product. I will wait until I have a better idea what the offline version is capable of. I could use the Starfinder Data set but like I said for myself where I actually play I don't have a reliable access to the internet.

I am truly hoping the offline version is as good as the iPad app they have no minus leveling.
 
I only really use the character creation and level/wealth tracking features

so all the other things being added to HLO aren't useful to me, and I'm the only one in my group (I'm the GM) who has been willing to pay for HL. I enter and validate all their characters.

For just this functionality, I'm looking at the following scenario:

HLC
Pathfinder: $35 for the game system core book (and I've spent several hundred since buying data packages).

Cost to use core rulebook in HLC:
Year 1: $35
Year 2: $0, $35 total
Year 3: $0, $35 total
Year 4: $0, $35 total
Year 5: $0, $35 total

So after 5 years, I've bought and used the core rulebook in Hero Labs, for $35. Tremendous value.

HLO for Starfinder:
Data package: ($25 at discounted price)
Subscription at $2/month, assuming no increase in price over 5 years:
Year 1: $24, $49 total
Year 2: $24, $73 total
Year 3: $24, $97 total
Year 4: $24, $121 total
Year 5: $24, $145 total

Let's see: $35 = tremendous value, $145 = not worth it. Almost x4 the price over 5 years for no real additional value. :(

Maybe there is a place for HLO with cut down features (say just character and ship creation and validation, but none of the in-game use stuff) for a much lower subscription price. Perhaps free, or $5/year or something like that, or charge a normal (traditional) price for the data packages with no subscription fees if only using the character validation and tracking features.

That value proposition makes HLO worthwhile for me and I'm sure some set of Wolf Lair's customers. Otherwise, I'll just being using paper and pencil. Fortunately, Starfinder seems much simpler than Pathfinder, especially so many years in with so much additional content.
 
PlasmaDragon said:
Let's see: $35 = tremendous value, $145 = not worth it. Almost x4 the price over 5 years for no real additional value. :(
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Given that this was based on a $2 a month extortion fee, which was a "suggested / maybe / kinda / we don't really know yet" amount I believe and not an actual, hard, we know what were doing number I think your comparison is far too optimistic myself.

But it rally does bring to heart the core complaint I have and I believe others have.

The new system is over time going to be absurdly expensive between buying data packs and the extortion fee, plus a conversion fee and the first time you miss a payment every single penny of that expense is wasted unless you agree to start paying the extortion fee again.

That's all based on $2 a month. The $2 a month is going to be the introductory rate and as soon as enough people are invested far enough it will go up. The extortion fee always goes up. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in neverland.
 
$2 a month, viewed as an annual amount, and over the years, does seem like a large amount. Taken individually, though... my wife regularly spends $4+ on a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Once a week, I spend $10 to buy donuts for work (something which I only sort of joke is a business investment). If me spending my $2 a month, along with everyone else, means that they can afford to get more people working for them to add more systems, and fix the bugs of the prior ones, I'm all for it. I've met Rob and his crew. They're not going to be taking that money and driving gold-plated Ferrarris with it. :) Maybe they'll get all of those little bugs with Mutants and Masterminds fixed if they have people running that system actually putting money back into it.

But I'm guessing that this all pretty much counts for us getting further afield in the absence of official information.
 
Duggan said:
$2 a month, viewed as an annual amount, and over the years, does seem like a large amount. Taken individually, though... my wife regularly spends $4+ on a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Once a week, I spend $10 to buy donuts for work (something which I only sort of joke is a business investment). If me spending my $2 a month, along with everyone else, means that they can afford to get more people working for them to add more systems, and fix the bugs of the prior ones, I'm all for it. I've met Rob and his crew. They're not going to be taking that money and driving gold-plated Ferrarris with it. :) Maybe they'll get all of those little bugs with Mutants and Masterminds fixed if they have people running that system actually putting money back into it.
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Actually i think Winterfyre is right, it's an extortion fee. Rob is going to keep raising the price every month, and then close everything down after he gets his millions. He is pure evil. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: This is just part of his larger diabolical plan.

Or

Rob loves gaming and is trying to make something cool and innovative with a lot of nice features for online collaboration, and has to keep the servers running so has to charge a fee to keep them going.

I go with option 2, I am not a paranoid person that thinks everyone is out to get me.
 
Duggan said:
$2 a month, viewed as an annual amount, and over the years, does seem like a large amount. Taken individually, though... my wife regularly spends $4+ on a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
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I live in Seattle, it's required that you buy one cup of coffee a day from Starbucks (they kick you out if you don't), so I spend $5 a day there.. $25/year is not much at all, and if you can't afford that you probably shouldn't be spending your money on HLC anyways.
 
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