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Colen July 19th, 2010 10:51 AM

Hero Lab and DC Adventures
 
Hi everyone,

As many of you are aware, the DC Adventures rulebook PDF is now available for purchase on the Green Ronin store. Since its release, we've had a lot of users ask us when Hero Lab will be updated to let them create and manage characters for their DC Adventures games, just like they can for Mutants & Masterminds.

Although we can't officially support DC Adventures, we have been developing a data package for the upcoming Mutants & Masterminds 3rd edition game. Releasing in a few months time, M&M 3rd edition will be fully compatible with DC Adventures.

As a result, the awesome folks at Green Ronin have given us permission to release an early version of the M&M 3rd edition data files to the public. You'll be able to purchase this beta data package starting early next month (August), and can then begin using Hero Lab with your DC Adventures games. A free demo version will also be available, so that you can "try before you buy".

Please note: as a beta version of an upcoming game system, there will likely be some rough edges in the data files when we release them. We feel that this is an acceptable compromise, since it lets us support all the DC Adventures players who are eager to start creating characters and running games with Hero Lab.

The data files will officially release with the Mutants & Masterminds 3rd edition core rulebook, when it comes out in several months time. At that point, users of the beta version will be updated to use the full M&M 3 data files.

Sketchpad July 19th, 2010 11:13 AM

Great news Colen! Is the price still around $20 for HL users? Also, any chance that HL will become the official software for M&M? Looking forward to it! :)

Colen July 19th, 2010 11:17 AM

Yes, the price will be $20 to add M&M3 beta support to your license, just like any other game system. And Hero Lab already is the official software for M&M - we have a forum on their web site, and everything. :)

Shadowchaser July 19th, 2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colen (Post 41438)
Yes, the price will be $20 to add M&M3 beta support to your license, just like any other game system. And Hero Lab already is the official software for M&M - we have a forum on their web site, and everything. :)

With so many of 2E's supplements being converted and offered, essentially, for free with updates to Hero Lab... I was starting to wonder if Mutants and Masterminds were the official game for the Hero Lab software. :)

Don't tell Steve I said that! ;)

Seriously, though, I said this over at the other forums but I'm gonna say it again here. You guys are awesome, and this is great news. I can't wait to get in on this beta!

Sketchpad July 19th, 2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colen (Post 41438)
Yes, the price will be $20 to add M&M3 beta support to your license, just like any other game system. And Hero Lab already is the official software for M&M - we have a forum on their web site, and everything. :)

Durr ... I knew that Colen. Honestly, I did ;) This is what sleep deprivation does folks ... ;)

SeeleyOne July 19th, 2010 03:32 PM

I'd like to get this, too. This brings up a question that has occurred to me for a while. When opening up Hero Lab, you get a screen with the list of supportable games. Is there a way to make it so that it won't show certain games? I'd prefer that it only showed the games that I do have a purchased license for.

fillerbunny_x1 July 19th, 2010 06:33 PM

Awesome!!! Maybe I can try to adapt the archetypes I did for 2e to 3e, with corrected art....

Colen July 21st, 2010 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeleyOne (Post 41443)
I'd like to get this, too. This brings up a question that has occurred to me for a while. When opening up Hero Lab, you get a screen with the list of supportable games. Is there a way to make it so that it won't show certain games? I'd prefer that it only showed the games that I do have a purchased license for.

This isn't currently possible, but it's on our to-do list for the future.

Shadowchaser July 21st, 2010 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colen (Post 41499)
This isn't currently possible, but it's on our to-do list for the future.

I don't mind the list of games so much, but I *would* like to turn off update notification for games I don't have licenses for. :)

Colen July 21st, 2010 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowchaser (Post 41523)
I don't mind the list of games so much, but I *would* like to turn off update notification for games I don't have licenses for. :)

You should be able to do that by completely deleting the game; go to the Tools menu and choose "Delete Game System", pick the game, then tell it "Yes, everything". The game will still appear in the list, but you should only see "new update" notifications once, not constantly.

Hope this helps!

Lightspeed Hobbies July 21st, 2010 06:17 PM

Are you going to be able to get permission to use the DC Adventures official content? I really hope so. After being let down time and time again by Palladium, I need to switch to a different game and I want to switch to DC Adventures. I don't have time to sit and make endless characters for NPC's and all that stuff.

Shadowchaser July 22nd, 2010 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed Hobbies (Post 41535)
Are you going to be able to get permission to use the DC Adventures official content? I really hope so. After being let down time and time again by Palladium, I need to switch to a different game and I want to switch to DC Adventures. I don't have time to sit and make endless characters for NPC's and all that stuff.

This has been answered a few times, but sadly no. The game rules for DC Adventures, however, are identical to Mutants and Masterminds Third edition, which Hero Lab *will* support (in a matter of weeks, actually), but the official Hero Lab software will not have built-in copies of the DC Comics characters.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if users didn't start making and distributing their own collections of the characters. It's happened before. :)

Also, just having the software will make it really easy to build 3E characters, so I strongly suggest getting it when it comes out! I certainly plan to. :D

Sketchpad July 26th, 2010 02:16 PM

Hiya Colen ... just wondering if you had a hard release date for this? You'd said it was the first week of August. Are we looking right before GC? Thanks in advance! Looking forward to snagging a data file :)

EberronKnight July 27th, 2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowchaser (Post 41552)
This has been answered a few times, but sadly no. The game rules for DC Adventures, however, are identical to Mutants and Masterminds Third edition, which Hero Lab *will* support (in a matter of weeks, actually), but the official Hero Lab software will not have built-in copies of the DC Comics characters.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if users didn't start making and distributing their own collections of the characters. It's happened before. :)

Also, just having the software will make it really easy to build 3E characters, so I strongly suggest getting it when it comes out! I certainly plan to. :D

I think I would be in to help in creating characters and distrubuting. I'm all for the 3E M&M. I just bought the PDF from Green Ronin, so I'm going through it to get use to the system, love the art work!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colen (Post 41435)
Hi everyone,

As many of you are aware, the DC Adventures rulebook PDF is now available for purchase on the Green Ronin store. Since its release, we've had a lot of users ask us when Hero Lab will be updated to let them create and manage characters for their DC Adventures games, just like they can for Mutants & Masterminds.

Although we can't officially support DC Adventures, we have been developing a data package for the upcoming Mutants & Masterminds 3rd edition game. Releasing in a few months time, M&M 3rd edition will be fully compatible with DC Adventures.

As a result, the awesome folks at Green Ronin have given us permission to release an early version of the M&M 3rd edition data files to the public. You'll be able to purchase this beta data package starting early next month (August), and can then begin using Hero Lab with your DC Adventures games. A free demo version will also be available, so that you can "try before you buy".

Please note: as a beta version of an upcoming game system, there will likely be some rough edges in the data files when we release them. We feel that this is an acceptable compromise, since it lets us support all the DC Adventures players who are eager to start creating characters and running games with Hero Lab.

The data files will officially release with the Mutants & Masterminds 3rd edition core rulebook, when it comes out in several months time. At that point, users of the beta version will be updated to use the full M&M 3 data files.

Of course, I'll be purchasing the Beta 3E M&M from Herolab, I think that is so awesome that they let you do that early so we fans can start messing around with it. That's what happens when two great companies work together! Bravo! :)

EK

dartnet July 27th, 2010 06:51 PM

I am sooo there.

fillerbunny_x1 July 27th, 2010 10:26 PM

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Sketchpad August 1st, 2010 08:07 PM

Any chance this might be hitting before everyone hits GC? Looks like we have some big updates this week for PF ... hoping we'll have the same for M&M ;)

rob August 1st, 2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sketchpad (Post 42087)
Any chance this might be hitting before everyone hits GC? Looks like we have some big updates this week for PF ... hoping we'll have the same for M&M ;)

Will Monday night work for you (as in 24 hours from now)? :->

Note: That's the plan, subject to the possibility of last-minute gremlins that can muck everything up in a hurry.

Sketchpad August 1st, 2010 09:11 PM

That would be awesome! Thanks Rob! :)

fillerbunny_x1 August 2nd, 2010 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob (Post 42088)
Will Monday night work for you (as in 24 hours from now)? :->

Note: That's the plan, subject to the possibility of last-minute gremlins that can muck everything up in a hurry.

SQUEEEEE!!!!

ahem....

Sorry about that...

TalonKane August 2nd, 2010 09:35 AM

So if someone buys the Beta for M&M 3.0, will they automatically get updated when the full version comes out? Also, when someone purchases a rule set, how many PCs that it be installed on?

rob August 2nd, 2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TalonKane (Post 42101)
So if someone buys the Beta for M&M 3.0, will they automatically get updated when the full version comes out?

Absolutely. We tried to make sure this was clear in the press release, but apparently not clear enough.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TalonKane (Post 42101)
Also, when someone purchases a rule set, how many PCs that it be installed on?

The number of computers is tied to a user *license*. The initial primary license purchase includes one free game system of your choice. All subsequent rule sets purchased are tied to that license and subject to the access limitations of that primary license.

When you purchase a primary license, you are also able to obtain one free secondary license, which allow the product to be installed on a second computer. This handles most people, who might want to run Hero Lab at home on their desktop and at games on their laptop.

Additional secondary licenses can be purchased for $10 apiece, subject to a maximum of 4 total licenses. This makes it possible to put Hero Lab on up to four different computers.

Since all of these secondary licenses are tied to the same primary license, all of the secondary licenses have access to all the same game systems. So if you purchase multiple data packages through your primary license, those data packages will all be available through all of the associated secondary licenses.

Let's use a concrete example. You purchase Hero Lab for use with M&M and activate your initial license for M&M. You can then obtain a free secondary license for use on another computer, and it will have access to M&M as well. Then you purchase a second game system (let's say Pathfinder). You can now use Pathfinder on both computers through both licenses. Now you want to put Hero Lab on a third computer. You can purchase an additional secondary license for that computer. Since the new secondary license is tied to the primary license, that computer immediately gains access to both M&M and Pathfinder.

Note that if you replace a computer, you can transfer an existing license to the replacement computer. Purchasing a new secondary license is only necessary to run Hero Lab on another computer while retaining access on all the current computers you're using.

Hopefully all that made sense. :)

Jason_Sunday August 2nd, 2010 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob (Post 42088)
Will Monday night work for you (as in 24 hours from now)? :->

Note: That's the plan, subject to the possibility of last-minute gremlins that can muck everything up in a hurry.

Where should be look for it? Hero Labs itself? The Hero Labs website or MnM website? All of the above?

Colen August 2nd, 2010 10:17 PM

We'll hopefully post the release in a couple hours time - we're testing some last things in preparation for Gen Con. Once it goes live, you should see a new version of Hero Lab (v3.6d) and the new M&M3 game system in the Hero Lab updates list. (They'll also be available for download from our web site.)

(If you're frantically checking the updates list, remember to close and restart Hero Lab each time - once HL fetches updates, it caches them until you quit. :) )

rob August 3rd, 2010 01:43 AM

The M&M3 Beta is now available. Details will be found below:
http://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=10940

TalonKane August 3rd, 2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob (Post 42103)
Absolutely. We tried to make sure this was clear in the press release, but apparently not clear enough.



The number of computers is tied to a user *license*. The initial primary license purchase includes one free game system of your choice. All subsequent rule sets purchased are tied to that license and subject to the access limitations of that primary license.

When you purchase a primary license, you are also able to obtain one free secondary license, which allow the product to be installed on a second computer. This handles most people, who might want to run Hero Lab at home on their desktop and at games on their laptop.

Additional secondary licenses can be purchased for $10 apiece, subject to a maximum of 4 total licenses. This makes it possible to put Hero Lab on up to four different computers.

Since all of these secondary licenses are tied to the same primary license, all of the secondary licenses have access to all the same game systems. So if you purchase multiple data packages through your primary license, those data packages will all be available through all of the associated secondary licenses.

Let's use a concrete example. You purchase Hero Lab for use with M&M and activate your initial license for M&M. You can then obtain a free secondary license for use on another computer, and it will have access to M&M as well. Then you purchase a second game system (let's say Pathfinder). You can now use Pathfinder on both computers through both licenses. Now you want to put Hero Lab on a third computer. You can purchase an additional secondary license for that computer. Since the new secondary license is tied to the primary license, that computer immediately gains access to both M&M and Pathfinder.

Note that if you replace a computer, you can transfer an existing license to the replacement computer. Purchasing a new secondary license is only necessary to run Hero Lab on another computer while retaining access on all the current computers you're using.

Hopefully all that made sense. :)

Yes! This all made perfect sense. Thanks so much for taking the time and to answer is such detail!

EberronKnight August 4th, 2010 05:43 PM

Bought it! Having a lot of fun with it for a Beta version, can't wait till we get the full version. Great stuff guys!

EK


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