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All editions Ritual Book-keeping page

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Shadowchaser

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Here's something that might be useful, a tab for creating/archiving Rituals. It would work much the same as the Powers tab, letting us "build" and check Ritual design costs and performance times. Does anyone else think this might be useful enough to ask for? :)

I, for one, wouldn't mind having a separate page for this, so I didn't have to keep building things in my Powers tab (to get the points quickly) and then deleting them.
 
Aye, having a page that can be used for Artifacts/Inventions/Rituals would be a great addition. Or even if it was a 'power' ye could add that had Power Settings like Variable does. Just something so ye can create and save these things ^_^
 
. . . or for holding common power stunts that may or may not every become full alternate effects.
 
JDRook said:
. . . or for holding common power stunts that may or may not ever become full alternate effects.
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I agree.

It also sounds to my ears like we've once again come back to that often requested thing: the ability to create a "drag & drop" or "cut & paste-able" template.

This tab you three are speaking of could be a scratch-sheet that doesn't incur a Power Point cost for the character where you can work up powers you wish to test or as a list of alternate powers that the character often uses via the expenditure of a Hero Point but not routinely enough to justify spending power points to make it a regular power or slot in an Array or "regular" alternate of a power for 1pp. <<I'm of course speaking in 2nd Edition terms since I'm not versed yet in how 3rd Edition does things>>

Nigel Fogg, aka The Wayfarer :)
 
So, effectively you want to make a "library" of powers that you can store somehow, and quickly call up when you want to use them?

Would this be a list of independent powers, or more like Nigel suggests, where the powers would be alternate powers of existing ones?
 
Colen said:
So, effectively you want to make a "library" of powers that you can store somehow, and quickly call up when you want to use them?

Would this be a list of independent powers, or more like Nigel suggests, where the powers would be alternate powers of existing ones?
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I didn't mean to suggest that this "compilation of ideas" or "library" tab must be an alternate of an existing power. They certainly could be a collection of stand-alone, "I just want to have the math calculated & DC available without the character being charged Power Points for these what if contingency" powers. ;)

Now, will it be more palatable to the majority of GMs if the powers that are built using this "library" tab are related to existing powers? Certainly it would.

Nigel Fogg, aka The Wayfarer :)
 
A simple solution might just be to build them as Equipment with the Devices as Equipment and just not charge points on them. Precede each one with Ritual: and then the name so they list alphabetically in the powers screen. Would have to check to make sure this works as intended in my mind, but it sounds correct. Might even be able to put them all in a container to represent Book of Shadows or whatever the grimoire is.
 
The alternative for a quick fix is to have some kind of checkbox similar to Devices that indicates "Free power", which could be used for anything from stunted APs to rituals to "Everyone has them" power sets.

Actually, a Stunt checkbox might not be a bad thing, marks something as needing to follow, say, the Array rules in terms of power points used, doesn't actually charge the power point, and then marks that ability differently to indicate that it is a Stunt and therefore not commonly available.
 
What if I added a "Power Stunt" extra that made the power not count for cost calculations? Would that work?
 
Colen said:
What if I added a "Power Stunt" extra that made the power not count for cost calculations? Would that work?
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I think you and Duggan have the right idea with that. :)

Even though this thread started out talking about "rituals" this concept is applicable to any time one power stunts or just wants the math "done & ready" ahead of time in anticipation of power stunting in a particular way in an upcoming game.

Heck, if you're using a netbook, laptop, etc. at the game table you could create it on the fly while awaiting your turn in the round if time permits. Then if someone earlier in the round causes you to change your mind you still have it for later and don't have to worry about it messing up your point totals when it comes time to save the character & close down the machine. :)

Nigel Fogg, aka The Wayfarer
 
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Hmm ... maybe something more like the Mecha tab could be implemented. That is, when someone selects Ritualist/Inventor/Artificer, a new tab opens for them to track their creations.
So, if I'm playing Mega-Mage and take Ritualist, I can record any and all rituals I've created (and also have access to the DCs to make/cast them).
 
Sketchpad said:
Hmm ... maybe something more like the Mecha tab could be implemented. That is, when someone selects Ritualist/Inventor/Artificer, a new tab opens for them to track their creations.
So, if I'm playing Mega-Mage and take Ritualist, I can record any and all rituals I've created (and also have access to the DCs to make/cast them).
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Yes, this would be ideal.
 
Colen said:
So, effectively you want to make a "library" of powers that you can store somehow, and quickly call up when you want to use them?

Would this be a list of independent powers, or more like Nigel suggests, where the powers would be alternate powers of existing ones?
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Rituals, Artifacts, and Inventions are not paid for with points, but we need the point totals to calculate the difficulty numbers and the time values to create them with.

For details on these rules, please refer to the "Inventing" rules in the M&M Hero's Handbook (3E flavor) on pages 159-160. There are different values for "Jury-Rigging" inventions (and rituals/Artifacts) as well. It's these values I'd like to have a page to calculate, so I didn't have to do the math myself every time someone wants to come up with a "temporary" power they use a skill to roll up.

I would like to keep them stored on the character if possible, since I allow my players to re-use these things once they have been designed in-game with just a creation/performance skill check.
 
I'm hoping this "power stunt/library/ritual" tab will be in both 2E and 3E as many of us will probably be playing 2E for years to come. It would be just as helpful to have this tab for the 2E M&M players as it would be for 3E players. :)

Nigel Fogg, aka The Wayfarer
 
Nigel Fogg The Wayfarer said:
I'm hoping this "power stunt/library/ritual" tab will be in both 2E and 3E as many of us will probably be playing 2E for years to come. It would be just as helpful to have this tab for the 2E M&M players as it would be for 3E players. :)

Nigel Fogg, aka The Wayfarer
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons I made this post under the "ALL" editions heading. :)
 
Loving the new "Library" page ^_^

Something that might be helpful for it is if to the side it would state how long it takes to plan/study and then build/cast.
Especially if there was two inputs for ranks of Quickness to change the values of study/planning and casting/building (I'm not sure if this is in the RAW, but I've done it and seen plenty of people do Quickness limited to helping Artificer/Inventor/Ritualist).

While it's not hard to do this by hand, Hero Lab is about making things easier and quicker, aye? ;)

EDIT: I just found out ye have the Design time and the such if ye hover over the (?) next to the power. Ye folks are awesome. Would the Quickness thing be possible still?
 
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CelticREI said:
Loving the new "Library" page ^_^

Something that might be helpful for it is if to the side it would state how long it takes to plan/study and then build/cast.
Especially if there was two inputs for ranks of Quickness to change the values of study/planning and casting/building (I'm not sure if this is in the RAW, but I've done it and seen plenty of people do Quickness limited to helping Artificer/Inventor/Ritualist).

While it's not hard to do this by hand, Hero Lab is about making things easier and quicker, aye? ;)

EDIT: I just found out ye have the Design time and the such if ye hover over the (?) next to the power. Ye folks are awesome. Would the Quickness thing be possible still?
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The quickness power does affect these times according to the rules, but a lot of people flaw quickness so it can only affect certain things like mental tasks. Perhaps two entries at the top of the Library tab for quickness ranks applied to each of the steps?
 
Shadowchaser said:
The quickness power does affect these times according to the rules, but a lot of people flaw quickness so it can only affect certain things like mental tasks. Perhaps two entries at the top of the Library tab for quickness ranks applied to each of the steps?
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That could work; "here are the normal times, then here are the times with N ranks of Quickness applied, which is what you currently have activated."
 
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