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Anyone able to update lotr system
Hi' is there anyone able to update the lotr system?
I have found several errors and mistakes on the current one which need adjusting. If anyone can help to maintain the system it would be very much appreciated. The following things need updating or adjusting. Corsair Bo'sun basic points cost should be 45 points not 50 Mordor Troll description of war drums currently says it effects orcs, uruk hai and trolls. It should say orcs, mordor uruk hai and trolls. Magical power Immobilise/Transfix description currently says If he wins a combat he will strike. Should say if he wins a combat he will not strike. Warrior of the dead should have an option for a banner costing 25 points Knights of Dol Amroth should have option for horn blower costing 20 points Galadriel magic description to cast immobilize should be 3+ not 2+ Legolas needs the option of armour costing 5 points Elf warriors currently have hand weapon set in their basic profile. Elf warriors should be unarmed on the basic profile. The following new figures for LOTR need to be added. Gundabad Blackshield Captain (Goblin) Gundabad Blackshield Shaman (Goblin) Gundabad Blackshields (Goblin) Gundabad Blackshield Drummers (Goblin) Cave Drake Floi Stonehand, Loremaster of Moiria (Dwarf) The King's Champion (Dwarf) Many thanks Winkmog |
So, I didn't realize these files got orphaned so I decided to try to get some of this stuff fixed and updated.
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Hi jlong
First of all i would like to say thankyou very much for taking up the upkeep of Lotr sbg datafile. It is very welcome! :D Thank you for updating what i have found so far. A speedy job. I used the ORB and all the latest sourcebooks. I don't use the lome book as it's very out of date with info and profiles. I always thought what ever the latest book says takes presedence over existing info. Im currently working my way through each scourcebook looking for differences. So far i have only done Gondor in flames. I have found another 10 or so errors or out of date info just from this book. Would you like me to write them here or send you a pm? If you need any info or stats for the new figures please let me know. im more than happy to help with supplying stats and info to keep this file updated. Many Thanks Winkmog |
Post em up here for now. I am not setup for updates. Colen is checking with the last maintainer to confirm he is in fact done. I have all the books, so stats are not an issue, but if you find errors, please give me the details(list in), and where(book and page) you have the difference in stats or info.
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Gondor in Flames differences
The following differences i have found in the Gondor in Flames sourcebook:
Faramir, captain of the guard page 9 missing the option for Heavy armour = 5 points Lance = 5 points Horse = 10 points King of Men page 10 missing option for Lance = 5 points Horse = 10 points War horse = 15 points Peregrin, Guard of the Citadel page 10 missing option for Pony = 5 points Captain of Minas Tirith page 11 missing option for Lance = 5 points Horse = 10 points Prince Imrahil page 12 Defence is 7 not 6/7 Angbor the Fearless page 12 Strength is 4 not 5 Captain of Dol Amroth page 13 Defence is 7 not 6/7 Cirion, Lieutenant of Amon Barad page 14 Fight value is 4/4 not 4/5 Defence is 6 not 5/6 Citadel Guard page 16 missing option for Horse = 6 points Knight of Dol Amroth page 19 Defence is 6 not 5/6 Hope this helps Winkmog |
Fall of the Necromancer differences
The following differences i have found in the Fall of the Necromancer sourcebook:
Saruman the White page 37 Staff of Power description should say: Whilst he wields his staff Saruman can expend 1 point of Will each turn without reducing his own store. The Necromancer page 43 Defence is 8 not 9 Drain Soul in the description need to change the word king to Necromancer Khamul the Easterling page 44 Black Dart should be 6 not 5 Compel should be 5 not 4 Drain Courage 3 not 2 Sap Will 4 not 3 Transfix 4 not 3 Giant Spider page 47 Venom description should say : The fangs of the Giant Spiders are highly venomous. They must re-roll each score of 1 when rolling to wound. Hope this helps Winkmog |
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Oh yeah, additionally, it appears your review is for the 'free peoples' list only. Please note that LoME is still the default book standard for army building. Its rules are only overruled by more current [army lists], not more current models. The LoME lists have several instances where all the available model options are not present. This is an attempt to stay both within the timeline of play, as well as for game balancing. As such, I have updated your examples for the free peoples list, however the army specific instances that continue to omit those options have been retained. I am hoping to get the final touches done in the next few days to add the missing units, and then plan for a week of testing. My goal is to get the next release out for 3/15. |
The Ruin of Arnor differences
The following differences i have found in The Ruin of Arnor sourcebook:
Arvedui, Last King of Arnor page 8 Fate is 0 not 1 Malbeth the Seer page 8 Fight value is 3 not 5 Aragorn/Strider page 9 Should have same options as Aragorn/Strider from The Fellowship army list Arathorn page 9 Cost is 75 not 65 Halbarad Dunadain page 10 Courage is 6 not 5 Peregrin Took page 13 Fate is 1 not 0 Samwise the Brave page 13 Option for pony = 5 points Peregrin Guard of the Citadel page 14 Wounds 1 not 2 Meriadoc Knight of the Mark page 14 Wounds 1 not 2 Farmer Maggot page 15 Special Rule Grip,Fang & Wolf missing Paladin Took page 15 Will is 1 not 2 Fate is 2 not 1 Bilbo Baggins page 16 Special Rule The Ring is set up in equipment options rather than special rules(not a major problem to be honest) and the description for it is wrong. Hobbit Archers page 18 Special Rule Signal horn missing Signal horn option = 20 points Buhdur page 20 Fight Value is 6/4 not 6/- Gulavhar, the Terror of Arnor page 21 Special Rule Strength of Body, Strength of Will should say Gulavhar always has an Attacks and Courage value equal to his remaining Wounds. Currently say equal to his remaining Will. |
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Khazad-Dum differences
The following differences i have found in The Khazud-Dum sourcebook:
Dain Ironfoot, King of Erebor page 9 Special Rule Barazantathul description need to add but he does not suffer the usual -1 penalty on the roll to win the fight in to the description Murin & Drar page 9 Murin defence is 8 not 7/8 Gimli page 10 Axes of the dwarves move from equipment to specialist section Vault Warden Team page 13 Foe Spear fight value is 4 not 4/4 Iron Shield fight value is 4 not 4/4 defence is 9 not 7/9 Dwarf Ballista page 14 Dwarf Crewmen: Specialist section should be Dwarf Engineer Captain not Gondor Engineer captain Description is missing for Dwarf Engineer Captain (description is found on page 68 of the orb) Dwarf Ballista Special rule Piercing shot missing and description. Equipment Option: Better construction change to superior construction (not a major deal) also the description for this is missing (description is found on page 68 of the orb) Wild Warg Chieften page 18 Special Rule Packlord description change white warg to wild warg Moria Goblin Drum page 20 Drums in the deep description is missing Hope this helps Winkmog |
The Shadow In The East differences
The following differences i have found in The Shadow In The East sourcebook:
Easterling Kataphrakt page 11 Fight Value 3/4 not 3 Defence 6 not 5 Shield option should be non optional. Comes as standard. Khandish King page 18 Missing description for chariot Khandish Chieften page 19 Missing description for chariot Khandish Charioteer page 20 Missing description for chariot Eorl the Young page 34 Defence 6 not 5/6 Special Rule Felarof missing description |
Harad differences
The following differences i have found in the Harad sourcebook:
Very sorry if this one is confusing!!!:confused: War Mumak of Harad page 13 Special rule Awesome Presence, Fearless!, The Crew are missing. Mumak 5 special rules and descriptions are missing for the move phase Mumak 2 special rules and descriptions are missing for the shooting phase Mumak 5 special rules and descriptions are missing for the combat phase Im guessing for the above rules that there wont be enough space for all of them. And it would take an age to write them all out. An option would be to create a special rule called move phase rule with a description saying please refer to page 11 of Harad scourcebook or pages 52 , 53, 54 and 55 of the orb. And do the same for the shooting phase rules and the combat phase rules. Equipment: Mahud should say Mahud Beastmaster Chieften. Special Rule and profile stats are missing for this character. Not sure how your going to add this or if it's even possible? As this is a seperate figure. Maybe leave it as an equipment option and for the description just put please refer to page 13 of the Harad scourcebook or page 158 of the orb. Or create a new figure profile called War Mumak of Mahud which would be identical to the first but instead of the haradrim chieftens profile below the Mumak have the Mahud Beastmaster Chieftens profile. Just some thoughts. :confused: Dalamyr, Fleetmaster of Umbar page 15 Smoke Bombs description currently says If he wins a combat he will strike. Should say if he wins a combat he will not strike. Watcher of Karna page 17 Special rule Steely Nerve missing and description. Mahud Warrior page 19 Defence is 5 not 4/5 Mahud Raider page 19 Defence 5 not 4/5 also Camel is missing and description Special Rule Impaler missing and description. Hope this all helps :) |
Mordor differences
The following differences i have found in the Mordor sourcebook:
Sauron page 8 Sap Will is 3+ not 2+ Witch King of Angmar page 9 Fellbeast/Armoured Fellbeast/Horned Fellbeast Special rule Feral is missing Warg Rider page 22 Special Rule Crude Throwing Spears is missing Black Numenorean Warrior page 24 Defence is 6 not 5/6 Morgul Knight page 25 Defence is 6 not 5/6 Mordor Siege Bow page 25 Orc Engineer Captain description is missing (see page 68 of orb) Mordor War Catapult page 26 Special Rule Indirect fire is missing & description Black Numenorean Catapult page 27 Black Numenorean Engineer Captain description is missing (see page 68 of orb) Special Rule Indirect fire is missing & description Special Rule Cursed Ammunition is missing & description Cheers Winkmog |
More Differences Found
I missed a couple :
Gondor in Flames Battlecry Trebuchet page 18 Equipment Better construction change to superior construction (not a major deal) also the description for this is missing (description is found on page 68 of the orb) Also Minas Tirith Engineer Description is missing Avenger Bolt Thrower page 19 Gondor Engineer Captain description is missing (see page 68 of orb) Equipment Better construction change to superior construction (not a major deal) also the description for this is missing (description is found on page 68 of the orb) |
Hey great to see someone picking up the LOTR torch. I notice also that Goldberry and Tom Bombadil are not in the lists.
I have just finished adding them to my set and it was a bit of a task to work out how to do it. They have a lot of rules about not having Goldberry without Tom. I would love to get you rupdated fileset. Though. |
I am still working on updates. I will probably be making another batch of updates this week and sending to my Beta Testing group. I am hoping to have a 3-15 release of updated files.
One thing to note. While I do like the format of the current files(several rules are included) remember that these files shouldn't ever be a replacement for owning the actual rules. As such, it's likely that exceptional rules(like the Mumak, One Ring, etc...) may simply refer you to the main rules and provide the page#. This is to help simplify the datafiles as well as protect myself from GW IP issues. |
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Here's another thought(one of which I like, but will take time to fully implement).
In my review of the current files I have noticed that gear is used to modify stat values. While this is good for the models buying that gear, the models that come with it as standard are listed initially with lower stats than their actual correct statline. What does everyone think about this? Should I list the statline as indicated in the rulebook, or continue as current with statlines being updated when added to your army roster? Mostly this affects the Defense stat. |
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As sometimes when im creating an army i like to click on the strength,defence,attacks heading to list the values from highest to lowest. And always found it strange that after i dragged the figure into my list the value would change. |
The following differences i have found from the GW website:
Aragorn , Isildur's Heir Can be found here https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA...ncil_of_Elrond Defence is 5 not 4 Elven Cloak = 10 points is missing Legolas Can be found here https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA...ncil_of_Elrond Armour = 5 points is missing Rumil, Warden of Caras Galadhon Can be found here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...Galadhrim_Host Defence is 6 not 5/6 Shieldbearer Can be found here https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA...Reinforcements Defence is 8 not 7/8 Son of Eorl Can be found here https://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA...Reinforcements Defence is 6 not 5/6 Captain of the Black Guard Can be found here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...nister_Service Defence is 7 not 6/7 Black Guard of Barad-Dur Can be found here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...nister_Service Defence is 6 not 5/6 The Betrayer Can be found here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...nister_Service Special rule Bane of Kings description should say When the Betrayer strikes a model in close combat. Not strikes a model with shooting or close combat. Eomer, Knight of the Pelennor Can be found here http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...forcements.pdf Defence is 7 not 6/7 Cheers Winkmog |
The following differences i have found from the White Dwarf issue 366 (UK copy) US copy is Issue 365 or 367 can't remember which.
Mauhur Special rule Mauhur Maurauders most of the description is missing Farimir, Captain of Ithilien Defence is 7 not 6/7 |
Sorry for the delays on these updates. I have been slammed with work and RL issues. I hope to get an opportunity to get these updates done in the next couple weeks and then get a release file out.
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The following differences i have found in the ORB:
Gandalf the grey page 79 Strength is 4 not 5. The reason for this is he can choose to fight with Glamdring(which increases his strength to 5) or his staff as he carries both weapons. So maybe it should be 4/5?Equipment = horse 10 points missing , Shadowfax = 15 points missing and Shadowfax special rule missing Gandalf the White page 128 Same problem as above with the strength Glamdring choice.Strengthen Will is 3+ not 4+ Bilbo Baggins page 79 Srength 3 not 2/3 Boromir of Gondor page 127 Defence 6 not 5/6 Elrond page 94 Fight Value 6/3 not 6/- Arwen Evenstar page 94 Will is 3 not 4 Elven Captain page 96 Special Rule Woodland creature missing Celeborn page 106 Fight Value 6/3 not 6/- Captain of Rohan page 114 Option for Horse = 10 points is missing Rider of Rohan page 115 Defence 5 not 4/5 Rohan Royal Guard page 115 Defence = 6 not 5/6 Should not have a Bow option Option for horse = 6 points missing Eowyn page 113 Throwing Weapons should be 5 points not 0 points Should not have a bow option Knight of dol Amroth page 131 Defence 6 not 5/6 Gollum page 144 Special rule missing Should say refer to page 144 of the orb Sharkey & Worm page 85 Worm courage is 2 not 3 Grima Wormtongue page 119 Courage is 2 not 3 Special Rule: Worm should say refer to page 119 not page 100 Uruk Hai Captain page 120 Option Heavy Armour = 5 points missing Option Two Handed Weapon = 5 missing Option Orc bow = 5 missing Option Crossbow = 5 missing Uruk Hai Demolition Team page 122 Uruk Hai Beserker courage 8 not 7 Uruk Hai Engineer Fight Value is 4/4 not 4/- Uruk Hai Siege Assualt Ballista page 123 Flaming Ammunition is 10 points not 15 Uruk Hai Engineer Captain description missing should say see page 68 of orb Cheers Winkmog |
The following differences i have found in the Two Towers Scourcebook & Return of The King Scourcebook:
Two Towers: Isenguard Troll page 94 defence 8 not 7/8 Return of the King: Rohan Outrider page 88 Option Horse = 5 points missing Erkenbrand page 86 Defence is 7 not 6/7 Other Profiles that are missing from various books but not tournament figures: Tom Bombadil page 47 The Scouring of the shire Goldberry page 47 The Scouring of the shire Watcher in the water page 59 The fellowship of the ring scourcebook The following scourcebooks were used to find all the differences: Harad Khazad-Dum Gondor in Flames Fall of the Necromancer Mordor A shadow in the east The ruin of Arnour Siege of Gondor (Checked but nothing found as proceeded by Gondor in Flames) The battle of Plennor fields (Checked but nothing found as proceeded by Gondor in Flames, Harad and Shadow of the East) Shadow & Flame (Checked but nothing found as proceeded by Khazad-Dum) Scouring of the Shire (Checked but found only 2 profiles missing) The fellowship of the ring scourcebook The Two Towers scourcebook The Return of the King scourcebook The ORB Hope this helped and if i have missed any please be gentle with me :D |
Wrong Stats
The following differences have been found:
Fall of the Necromancer The Necromancer defence 8 not 9. I think that it must have to do something with the armor and adds +1 to his defence. Mordor The Dark Marshal Fighting Value is 6 not 5 (the only Nazgul with 6 is the dark marshal). Kind Regards. |
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Well spotted on the Dark Marshall i must have missed that one. One of many know doubt. If you find anymore please post them. As another pair of eyes always helps. Many thanks Winkmog |
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Fall of the Necromancer
Giant Spiders There is an error with Venom Description (Giant Spiders) Quote:
Venom (Giant Spiders).. The fangs of the Giant Spiders are highly venomous. They must re-roll each score of ‘1’ when rolling to wound. I understand again why there is such an error. Venom is used differently by spider queen but with the same name: "Venom (Spider Queen). The Spider Queen’s sting and fangs are heavy with poison. If she fails to wound an enemy model, she must re-roll the dice." |
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There's bound to be some more mistakes i missed so keep checking. Cheers! |
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If there is something else you meant here, please let me know. |
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Everything is fine, i think i was just a bit tired when writing some of the stats out. Many thanks for the updating so far cheers Winkmog |
Hi would it be possible to add the profiles for the different species of Ent found in The best of White Dwarf Two Towers (page 73) and Best of White Dwarf Return of The King (page 3)
Birch Hawthorn Fir Willow Beech Oak Ash I know they are not official by GW for tournaments but for non tournament players they are a great alternative. Hope these can be added! Also i found another error while playing a game at the weekend. Arwen Evenstar page 94 Orb Asfaloth has 2 wounds it should be only 1 Cheers Winkmog |
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