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EightBitz December 31st, 2015 10:57 AM

Would Accessibility be a big deal?
 
I have a blind friend who would love to be able to use Hero Lab and Card Vault, but he's blind. He uses JAWS to interact with his computer.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Pro...Blindness/JAWS

He's tried Hero Lab and Card Vault, and JAWS cannot operate the user interface.

I think Accessibility would be a great feature to add to your programs. I think one of the great failings of technology is how often accessibility is overlooked by developers. You can bring a new dimension to the gaming experiences of blind geeks! How awesome would that be?

To all the Hero Lab users out there, just an informal poll. Would you be willing to contribute to a Kickstarter for this?

Dervish January 1st, 2016 05:31 PM

I would support this whole heartedly

Tekwych January 2nd, 2016 06:44 AM

Accessibility should always be a big thing, in apps and online. Most web tools and many software development tools make it easier to include Accessibility. It's a lot of work for a small community but should be done as, in most cases, your help and guid systems for everyone improve significantly.

liz January 4th, 2016 11:21 AM

@Eightbitz, thanks for posting this! We’ve had users with vision issues successfully use Hero Lab in the past, and this is the first we’ve heard feedback on integration with JAWS. Again, thanks for bringing this to our attention. The Hero Lab team is going to research options, now that we have this feedback. :)

EightBitz January 4th, 2016 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by liz (Post 221447)
@Eightbitz, thanks for posting this! We’ve had users with vision issues successfully use Hero Lab in the past, and this is the first we’ve heard feedback on integration with JAWS. Again, thanks for bringing this to our attention. The Hero Lab team is going to research options, now that we have this feedback. :)

Do you know what software the others used to make Hero Lab accessible?

Colen January 4th, 2016 01:44 PM

As far as I'm aware, they didn't use anything beyond magnifiers / running at a lower resolution, so no special software was involved - it sounds like they may have had a different level of vision from what your friend does, so the situation may not be the same.

Edit: Also, by "operate the user interface", can you tell me more about what you'd be looking for JAWS to do? From a brief skimming of the documentation, it looks like (for internet explorer, at least) it uses custom hotkeys to let the app be accessed via the keyboard? Or would it just be used as a screen reader?

EightBitz January 4th, 2016 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colen (Post 221462)
As far as I'm aware, they didn't use anything beyond magnifiers / running at a lower resolution, so no special software was involved - it sounds like they may have had a different level of vision from what your friend does, so the situation may not be the same.

Edit: Also, by "operate the user interface", can you tell me more about what you'd be looking for JAWS to do? From a brief skimming of the documentation, it looks like (for internet explorer, at least) it uses custom hotkeys to let the app be accessed via the keyboard? Or would it just be used as a screen reader?

So, I don't know, because I don't use JAWS, so I'm not sure how it works. What I do know is that he is completely blind, so magnifiers and resolutions would not matter.

Unplug your monitor and use Hero Lab. That's what he would need, be it through JAWS or some other means. But JAWS is what he's used to.

UndeadDan January 4th, 2016 07:13 PM

That doesn't really help. Can you get your friend to write up a description of how the auditory interface works?

You've received a much warmer and welcoming reaction than I'd have guessed, so don't go wasting this opportunity with "I don't know"s. This is the time to step up and meet the dev team halfway so that they don't lose interest because of vague descriptions like "unplug your monitor and use Hero Lab". Asking them to reinvent the wheel, when there is an established, tested solution, is unfair.

EightBitz January 4th, 2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UndeadDan (Post 221473)
That doesn't really help. Can you get your friend to write up a description of how the auditory interface works?

You've received a much warmer and welcoming reaction than I'd have guessed, so don't go wasting this opportunity with "I don't know"s. This is the time to step up and meet the dev team halfway so that they don't lose interest because of vague descriptions like "unplug your monitor and use Hero Lab". Asking them to reinvent the wheel, when there is an established, tested solution, is unfair.

Sure. All I meant by "unplug your monitor" was, that's his experience. I didn't literally mean, "you should unplug your monitors".

Sorry if that wasn't clear.

EDIT: Just emailed him to request more info. I'll post his response here.

Tekwych January 5th, 2016 05:47 AM

Whenever we have questions about what the barriers need to be addressed by our products we go to the source. Ask the local Association for the Blind for assistance. They will tell us what they need in the interface what resources already exist and how to connect to them and even review our product and give constructive feedback. They have never charged us but we do donate to them.


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