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daplunk November 30th, 2018 07:11 AM

Realm Works Community Wish List
 
Hi Team,

This forum has long been a bottomless pit of many great ideas. The problem being that once an idea goes in it tends to get buried under other great ideas.

So here is a way for us to keep track of the ideas enabling us to present our best and loudest voice to LWD about the feature improvement ideas that are important to us all.

Feel free to add new ideas to the list and vote for the ones you want to see implemented. Vote for as many as you like. Let the votes tell the story about the things that are important to us.

http://rwwishlist.idea.informer.com/
https://indesignsecrets.com/wp-conte...7/wishlist.jpg

Greebo November 30th, 2018 07:32 AM

Good idea, even though I personally think kbs666 consolidated list to be more effective / useful right now.

kbs666 November 30th, 2018 07:42 AM

https://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=61552

daplunk November 30th, 2018 07:45 AM

Love your list, but it doesn't give a good representation of what people are actually interested in seeing prioritised. Not without trawling through the comments. This clearly shows as of right now that people want Custom Calendars for example. Shock horror.

Merion November 30th, 2018 08:11 AM

Well, I like the idea, though I'm not quite sure if truly is the most helpful thing, as it a) adds another site to check for the devs, b) is kinda biased toward features that have been longer on the list, as not many people will visit it regularirly to check for new ones and c) seems to count votes on IP only, so it's very easy to manipulate if you're so inclined.

But hey, can't hurt, so I'll add a few things. Hopefully LWD will tell us what's their preferred channel.

kbs666 November 30th, 2018 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daplunk (Post 273421)
Love your list, but it doesn't give a good representation of what people are actually interested in seeing prioritised. Not without trawling through the comments. This clearly shows as of right now that people want Custom Calendars for example. Shock horror.

Sorry but no. People do want custom calendars. It is one of most requested features on this forum and on your FB group. I get that you dislike this forum but many people despise FB, myself included. So we're at loggerheads. We won't migrate and you guys won't use this forum. But don't try and usurp what I've done simply because I didn't do it on FB.

daplunk November 30th, 2018 11:05 AM

This has nothing to do with the Facebook group or trying to stop people using the forum. It's simply something to provide more data in a more efficient manner. How many great ideas are there in this sub forum? How many +1 comments that no one is ever going to come along and summarise? All it does is let people add their plus ones in a place that is easier to see all the options in a single place and that automatically tallies them together. Used together with your list this is much more useful data.

EightBitz November 30th, 2018 12:02 PM

1) In all seriousness, I'm throwing my vote in for custom calendars.

2) I would still like an integrated print function. Farling and I have both shown that such a thing is both possible and practical, and it would just be easier for everyone if LWD finally acknowledged this, and added an integrated, easily accessed, fully supported, official print function.

kbs666 November 30th, 2018 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daplunk (Post 273435)
This has nothing to do with the Facebook group or trying to stop people using the forum. It's simply something to provide more data in a more efficient manner. How many great ideas are there in this sub forum? How many +1 comments that no one is ever going to come along and summarise? All it does is let people add their plus ones in a place that is easier to see all the options in a single place and that automatically tallies them together. Used together with your list this is much more useful data.

There aren't enough eye roll icons in the universe.

My list was produced by actually following years of discussions of feature requests and includes only reasonable and rational requests. Yours includes things like a complete and ground up rewrite of the program as the #1 request, as of the time I write this post. So yeah super useful.

daplunk November 30th, 2018 01:16 PM

This isn't about competing or replacing your effort. This is simply an improvement over what we have. You are the only one who can edit your list. You have no way currently of representing out of that list what is the priority for the community. Why not combine with this functionality?

People can add their own wish list
People can vote on whats more important to them
The devs get more data to help them understand the community desires
No one needs to count the +1s

This is literally just a better way of capturing more useful data in a way that requires less effort.

kbs666 November 30th, 2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daplunk (Post 273441)
This isn't about competing or replacing your effort. This is simply an improvement over what we have. You are the only one who can edit your list. You have no way currently of representing out of that list what is the priority for the community. Why not combine with this functionality?

People can add their own wish list
People can vote on whats more important to them
The devs get more data to help them understand the community desires
No one needs to count the +1s

This is literally just a better way of capturing more useful data in a way that requires less effort.

And there's no way of combining identical features. Or separating out ridiculous ones, rewriting the entire program for no good reason, still #1.

There's a reason why having a collated list by someone who knows the program is superior. I could have done something like that but rejected it for obvious reasons.

daplunk November 30th, 2018 01:25 PM

There is actually. Happy to give you moderator access if you want to help with that.

kbs666 November 30th, 2018 02:26 PM

Nope. Already put my effort in.

Vargr December 3rd, 2018 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daplunk (Post 273421)
Love your list, but it doesn't give a good representation of what people are actually interested in seeing prioritised. Not without trawling through the comments. This clearly shows as of right now that people want Custom Calendars for example. Shock horror.

But we, the People, do want Custom Calendars...

MNBlockHead December 4th, 2018 10:21 PM

Thanks daplunk, I've long wanted LWD to have a modern feature request management system. This at least allows vote tracking. If LWD used this or a similar tool, then they could also indicate which were being looked at, actively being worked on, etc.

Forums, whether here or Facebook just are not as effective.

MNBlockHead December 4th, 2018 10:27 PM

Hmm, one think this system does not have that other similar tools have, which I find to be useful is that you are given a limited number of votes. Say 5. You can allocate all 5 to one request or vote one time for five requests. It helps indicate which features users care the most strongly about because they have limited votes and even within that limit, they can weight some features more heavily than other.

Seems like requiring a login would be helpful, but that's debatable. Some people may be turned away if they have to spend even one minute to create an account to vote. But that would also mean those who did, do care more.

EDIT

Yeah, not have a vote limit greatly decreases the value of a feature-voting site. I mean, I'll probably vote for nearly every items as something I would want. It doesn't at all capture that there are only a small number of features that I care passionately about and which I would consider switching to another product if it was comparable but had those features. Just not as useful to see most of the features have roughly the same number of votes.

If there is any way to configure this to have a vote limit and to let you spend multiple votes on one feature, I highly recommend enabling it.

daplunk December 5th, 2018 12:44 AM

I think it's a time limit not a hard limit. It stops you from throwing a vote for absolutely everything but doesn't stop you from coming back tomorrow and voting on some more. Makes it more meaningful IMO. Means people focus on the things that truly matter. I'll check the config out though. Seems like a pretty good website.

daplunk December 5th, 2018 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MNBlockHead (Post 273612)
Thanks daplunk, I've long wanted LWD to have a modern feature request management system. This at least allows vote tracking. If LWD used this or a similar tool, then they could also indicate which were being looked at, actively being worked on, etc.

Forums, whether here or Facebook just are not as effective.

It's such a simple thing that was lacking. Hopefully LWD take some form of value from it.

@LWD: It does have functionality to update things to show that they are In Progress or to mark things as not possible. So if are you interested in providing that level of value to this let me know. Figure the more we do as a community though the more time you have to code.

daplunk December 8th, 2018 02:22 PM

Calendar Crew... you just lost the lead! Panic! Unite! Defeat the other ideas!

ErinRigh December 9th, 2018 09:09 AM

@LWD, this thread could use a sticky too

Silveras December 9th, 2018 05:11 PM

A public service announcement: Because of the way the voting on the list works, people need to remember to visit periodically and vote for the new ideas you like that were added after your last visit.

Cammagno December 9th, 2018 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbs666 (Post 273440)
There aren't enough eye roll icons in the universe.

My list was produced by actually following years of discussions of feature requests and includes only reasonable and rational requests. Yours includes things like a complete and ground up rewrite of the program as the #1 request, as of the time I write this post. So yeah super useful.

Your list includes only *those that YOU think are* reasonable and rational requests. You may be wrong about some of them.
I prefer a more democratic list, and IMHO it's up to LWD to decide if the requestes are reasonable or not.
But anyway, this community list does not take anything from your list, they are two lists build in a differewnt way, they can both be useful.
If you do not like one of them, do not contribute to it, it's your choice. I tried to contribute to both of them.

EightBitz December 9th, 2018 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daplunk (Post 273772)
Calendar Crew... you just lost the lead! Panic! Unite! Defeat the other ideas!

Yeah, no. I wasn't a Kickstarter backer, but as I understand it, a custom calendar feature was one of the Kickstarter promises. So, that shouldn't be up to a vote. That should be a default priority.

Maidhc O Casain December 10th, 2018 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightBitz (Post 273811)
Yeah, no. I wasn't a Kickstarter backer, but as I understand it, a custom calendar feature was one of the Kickstarter promises. So, that shouldn't be up to a vote. That should be a default priority.

This (and I am a Kickstarter backer). Please follow through with those things on which you sold the original idea first, then start expanding/voting/etc. Content market was in that list, so all good. Calendars were also in that original list of promises...

Bidmaron December 10th, 2018 03:21 PM

Hear! Hear!

Maidhc O Casain December 10th, 2018 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maidhc O Casain (Post 273837)
This (and I am a Kickstarter backer). Please follow through with those things on which you sold the original idea first, then start expanding/voting/etc. Content market was in that list, so all good. Calendars were also in that original list of promises...

(Forgot to say - I'm pleased as punch about the 64 bit version, and the quickly improving communication, and the renewed and enthusiastic bug-squishing! So don't take the above as negative, please. It's just a plea that original promises come before other new features, since that's what we thought we were buying).


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