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TCArknight June 17th, 2020 02:38 PM

Deadlands backers?
 
Curious... Are there any backers of the Deadlands: Lost Colony or Deadlands: Weird West that would be willing to put a dataset for each through the paces and provide feedback? :)

CapedCrusader June 17th, 2020 10:37 PM

If you're talking about the new Deadlands for SWADE, that's on me. I usually wait for the release versions, they are still in pre-release.

TCArknight June 18th, 2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCrusader (Post 289242)
If you're talking about the new Deadlands for SWADE, that's on me. I usually wait for the release versions, they are still in pre-release.

That would be the one. :)

I was anxious for the WW data because planning on running a PbP of it myself... I think I have all the data together and updated for the v2 pre-release.

I'm attaching it and the Lost Colony files I've put together which you are welcome to use going forward. (or I can take those and run to take a bit off your plate...)

(Lost Colony has a specific Spaceships tab, and Weird West has a redone Armory tab to allow for use of Modifications on weapons, etc.)

basic_element June 24th, 2020 06:38 AM

I'm a backer and willing to test it out. What do you do with these .dat files? They also just released version 3 yesterday.

CapedCrusader June 24th, 2020 10:12 AM

Well, these should be .user files, not .dat files.

basic_element June 24th, 2020 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CapedCrusader (Post 289331)
Well, these should be .user files, not .dat files.

Thanks, changing them to .user files worked. Did you update the system to categorize the edges by type? It looks much better!

TCArknight - So I just did a quick test and this is awesome stuff! I created a quick Chi Master and it worked as expected. I was able to add the Arcane background (Chi Master) and the new Focus skill. Of course there are some mistakes based on V2 of the pre-release like it saying for "Arcane Background (gifted)" in the notes. I was able to check out the armory and gear and it looks to be all there.

One feedback would be if there is a way to modify the power descriptions since it is unique to Chi Masters. The range is limit to self and now with V3 touch. And foes who resist now needs a touch attack and then the power cast using multi actions.

I'll keep playing around with it and provide more feedback.

Thanks,

zarlor June 24th, 2020 12:55 PM

Edges are normally categorized by type at character creation. However when doing an Advance they are listed alphabetically instead, if I remember correctly. Not sure why the difference, though.

basic_element June 24th, 2020 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zarlor (Post 289333)
Edges are normally categorized by type at character creation. However when doing an Advance they are listed alphabetically instead, if I remember correctly. Not sure why the difference, though.

Ah you are correct Zarlor. The advancement edges should have the categories also.

CapedCrusader June 24th, 2020 02:44 PM

That's always been a sticking point. Some folks like the categorized list, some folks like the alphabetical list.

basic_element June 24th, 2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCrusader (Post 289335)
That's always been a sticking point. Some folks like the categorized list, some folks like the alphabetical list.

I think the categorized list makes more sense because this is how the core book organizes it. There is no where in the core book that has the alphabetical listing so it's a pain to look for an edge in the book for more info unless you know what category it belongs to.

Maybe you can make it an option in the menu and allow the user to pick? But, doesn't make sense to have it inconsistent in 2 places.

basic_element June 25th, 2020 12:29 PM

Played around with the Deadlands Weird West dataset. Here's what I found:

Your worst nightmare field should be added, maybe under personal tab (I guess we could just add it under personal details)

For gear, need badge for the Rangers and agents. And Fugitives Manual for Rangers. Using custom gear for now.

Need to add horse in vehicles (Ranger starts with a horse).

With armored duster (light) the notes show minimum strength twice (4 and d8). and what is the /+4?

Fetish edge (Shaman) Should have a field to indicate what the fetish item is.

Shaman Powers, keep on adding more powers but says I have 2 powers left.

TCArknight June 27th, 2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by basic_element (Post 289360)
Your worst nightmare field should be added, maybe under personal tab (I guess we could just add it under personal details)

Personal Details is best way for now I think...

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Originally Posted by basic_element (Post 289360)
For gear, need badge for the Rangers and agents. And Fugitives Manual for Rangers. Using custom gear for now.

Need to add horse in vehicles (Ranger starts with a horse).

Fetish edge (Shaman) Should have a field to indicate what the fetish item is.

Should be taken care of in the next version...

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Originally Posted by basic_element (Post 289360)
With armored duster (light) the notes show minimum strength twice (4 and d8). and what is the /+4?

This is a bug in the core. You'll see this if you just select SWADE and no other setting. Reported. :) The +4 is against bullets.

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Originally Posted by basic_element (Post 289360)
Shaman Powers, keep on adding more powers but says I have 2 powers left.

Looking into this...

CapedCrusader June 27th, 2020 04:09 PM

Quick aside, Arc. Deadlands is an official release and goes through Hero Lab itself. As such, it must go through me before release. You should not be releasing a separate file.

Also, I've had responsibility for the Deadlands file for a while now.

CapedCrusader June 27th, 2020 04:32 PM

We have an agreement with Pinnacle about the official releases. One of the requirements is a review. Any of the releases that come through Hero Lab itself must go through the process. Please do not release alternate versions of these files or there is a risk of violating that agreement and losing the ability to release these through Hero Lab.
Thanks for understanding.

TCArknight June 27th, 2020 08:05 PM

Understood. I’ve removed the files.

basic_element July 3rd, 2020 04:03 PM

CapedCrusader - Now that the final release of Deadlands The Wierd West is out, any ETA when you will be working on the data set?

CapedCrusader July 3rd, 2020 04:23 PM

Next week. My day job situation changed, and I have a bit more free time. So next week I will go through and fix all the outstanding bugs in the main program and then work on this. So, just a couple of weeks?

TCArknight July 3rd, 2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCrusader (Post 289459)
Next week. My day job situation changed, and I have a bit more free time. So next week I will go through and fix all the outstanding bugs in the main program and then work on this. So, just a couple of weeks?

Hooray! :)

tpkurilla July 13th, 2020 12:13 PM

I somehow missed the original post for this.

I am a backer of both, and am actually running a WW campaign right now, so I am definitely willing to take a look at the dataset if you're still looking for feedback.

CapedCrusader July 17th, 2020 01:57 PM

There's been a slight delay... I'm working through an issue with multiple Arcane Backgrounds and the DenyTags that allow an AB to limit the available powers.

CapedCrusader July 30th, 2020 11:52 AM

Alright. I'm through the bulk of the material and I'm in the GM's section.

tpkurilla July 30th, 2020 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CapedCrusader (Post 289978)
Alright. I'm through the bulk of the material and I'm in the GM's section.

Really looking forward to this!

The Blessed and Chi Master characters in my group have confusing character sheets at the moment because of the differences between versions.

CapedCrusader August 11th, 2020 12:38 PM

I am really close on this. We will need to release the latest version of Savage Worlds itself before I can release this, though. It needs the changes to the core.

I have gone through and done a new DLR file. Both versions will be available. I left all the gear alone from the other sourcebooks, and added the few new items. But this new version has only the material from the new book for everything but equipment. I still have to go through the weapons. I see they have released a candidate Companion, but we'll do that as a separate update once they finalize it.

tpkurilla August 19th, 2020 02:57 PM

Any closer to releasing DLWW, CapedCrusader?

Very anxiously awaiting...

CapedCrusader August 19th, 2020 03:11 PM

We can't release the new one until the new update for Savage Worlds is ready, and we are in the final steps of that. I've been in contact with LWD all day.

tpkurilla August 19th, 2020 03:16 PM

Excellent news!

CapedCrusader August 21st, 2020 02:04 PM

OK, I've completed the first cut of the new Deadlands file, and we've resolved all the open issues on the SWADE updates. We'll get this rolled out when the new Savage Worlds version is ready.

TCArknight August 21st, 2020 03:35 PM

Yea! You really rock CC!

tpkurilla October 24th, 2020 09:43 AM

Wow, it's been two months since you got this completed.

LWD seems really focused on PF2E...I haven't seen anything Starfinder or Savage Worlds in quite some time.

I hope they make time for this soon.

CapedCrusader October 25th, 2020 10:09 AM

Me, too. The main package has an update waiting, and this update needs that one.

tpkurilla December 2nd, 2020 03:50 PM

Wow, three and a half months waiting now.

Was there a bunch of work left on the main package?

Seems like there is a lot to do on it still, or they're just ignoring SWADE to work on everything PF2.

tpkurilla December 2nd, 2020 03:57 PM

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CapedCrusader December 3rd, 2020 08:19 AM

I'm not sure what the delay is. I haven't heard anything lately.

Maidhc O Casain December 3rd, 2020 11:25 AM

On the other forums, if a request for info on any other projects is actually responded to (which is almost never) it's been "we'll get to it when we can but we're really busy with PF2 and HLO right now."

zarlor December 3rd, 2020 01:53 PM

Well, I'm honestly not using HL anymore. While there's a lot more stuff in it and general levels of automation and checking on status of a character per the RAW for the base rules and that of the data files in use, pretty much everyone at my table has flat moved on to just using savaged.us when it took as long as it did to get SWADE over here. It really is a lot more convenient and maybe if HLO has SWADE support (AND support for all of the data files we've done!) the group might move back over to here, but at this point LoneWolf has flat lost us as customers. Even with HLO it's going to need to significantly improve over what savaged.us does for us (which isn't really that hard, mind you) for my group to move back this way. SWADE has just been too much of a red-headed stepchild here for me to have much interest in continuing to support HL.

tpkurilla February 17th, 2021 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zarlor (Post 292179)
Well, I'm honestly not using HL anymore. While there's a lot more stuff in it and general levels of automation and checking on status of a character per the RAW for the base rules and that of the data files in use, pretty much everyone at my table has flat moved on to just using savaged.us when it took as long as it did to get SWADE over here. It really is a lot more convenient and maybe if HLO has SWADE support (AND support for all of the data files we've done!) the group might move back over to here, but at this point LoneWolf has flat lost us as customers. Even with HLO it's going to need to significantly improve over what savaged.us does for us (which isn't really that hard, mind you) for my group to move back this way. SWADE has just been too much of a red-headed stepchild here for me to have much interest in continuing to support HL.

I checked out Savaged.us. They've added support for SWADE Deadlands, and so far it seems reasonably complete.

For the time being, HL will just not be my tool for anything Savage Worlds. They've ignored SW for too long for my taste.

Thanks for the tip!


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